Pedantic Hubpages!

Totally agree with you Leon.
Hubpages are a bunch of wankers. Warning, Don’t waste your time with them.
I spent hours writing content and it got flagged and pulled pretty much straight away!
You’re allowed as much freedom as a Jew in a Nazi concentration camp!
Maddie Ruud can suck it!!

Hubpages not even worth the time nor the effort. For SEO purposes is worthless, and for money making is a scam.

Folks, disregard the previous remarks. The person who left them was banned from Hubpages for being an arrogant bitch with no self control. Hubpages is an excellent site with many fine writers and good people. Don’t let one bitter old sow put you off a wonderful site.

Tksensei, who left comment #10 here, happens to be the internet troll following me even now. Who, incidentally, has been reborn on Hubpages under a variety of sockpuppets, alter egos, etc. on the site, because there is absolutely no true moderation on that site. So he is back on the site attacking others. I, however, will never go back there. It is beyond unprofessional. My point is proven.

Appreciate you e-mail notifications of new comments, Leon. Hope you will delete further Tksensei comments, because this will go on.

I think that in comparison to other online publishing venues Hubpages is the best available from the choices out there. They don’t want the kind of shite many post on Ezine, Xomba or eHow just for some backlinks and a bit of traffic.

HubPages is certainly not perfect but I have yet to find anything that is. It’s a good place to earn if you want to write for search engine traffic. If you don’t that’s cool – it doesn’t matter. At the end of the day you can write about anything you want, and for many people it gives them the confidence to fulfill their dreams in other publishing venues.

For me, and my aims I’m writing there aiming for a residual income of around $1000 a month – this will pay my bills and allow me to write a novel. This is my dream and HP will help me achieve it.

Just thought I should give Hubpages a bit of credit in the midst of a lot of negative comments here.

I currently make over $1000 a month easily on Hubpages every month after only 9 months of writing Hubs (Although I did join 2 years ago, my hubs are all recent).

The Hubpages team usually get back to people pretty quickly when they need help, and the forum community is always on hand.

The spoiled children who run Hubpages are mostly the spoiled children who helped create Google, which is why Hubpages and Yieldbuild are both very good quality products in both SEO and Advert optimization.

I have never, in all my years in the business, found an easier way of making money than on Hubpages, and your tirade which has only come about because either you instantly tried to take advantage of the system, or took a shortcut such as duplicating content, is in my eyes unfounded.

I have found Hubpages a great SEO tool, and a money making opportunity, and from the feel of these comments people are angry because they failed to cheat the system and get some easy links out of it.

Pam, from what I read out of your Hubs and Forum posts, and what other people have said, you have little ability to comment on the commercial side of Hubpages because you refused to write commercially driven Hubs, on top of that you became upset that other people took Hubpages as a commercial enterprise.

If you follow the rules Hubpages is a fantastic website to use for both Backlinks, traffic, and affiliate marketing. If you fail to follow the rules, which are more democratic than nazi, you will find your hubs unpublished to protect the rest of the Hubbers.

I would also like to point out that forum participation is by no means a prerequisite of writing Hubs, you do not need to be involved in the Hubpages community to become successful, although I have made a couple of good friends on there. A lot of people on this post, and others, have made a personal vendetta against Hubpages after getting in to arguments on the forum, or being banned after making repeated personal attacks on the forums. If you felt yourself being drawn in to that kind of argument it is your own responsibility to reasonably counter the argument, or ignore it completely.

Leon,

In my view I think you have given Hubpages an unfair review, that is your own choice and your perogative. If you are interested though I definately believe you should give it another chance, starting off with some Hubs which are set within the guidelines, you should be surprised at how quickly you can grow traffic on hubpages, and earn the top ranking spots. I personally hold first page positons above many major retailers on some high earning product keywords, and there are plenty more who do the same.

The rules are in place to keep articles high quality and low spam, which increases the back link quality for the rest of the community who abide by the rules.

This is unbelievable.

I payed a lot of attention to Pam and enjoyed every word she said. Pam was probably in the top 10 for most liked on Hubpages.

I would say in the top 5 for talent of writing.

I really am not sure what to say other than I have no reason to put Hubpages down.

I have had nothing but good experiences over there. yes I make money as a result of Hubpages.

I am still in awe at what I am reading here.

Hubpages is a commumity in its own and I guess people are entitled to their opinion but in all honesty I dont think people are being fair.

In all my accounts I have never had a single hub flagged or anything like that.

I guess this is just a bunch of jibberish but in all likely hood it will probably never see the light of day anyways.

I have found hubpages to be an excellent site both for showcasing my writings and for the wonderful community of writers there. With regards to making money there, that I have not been any good at doing so, is due to my ignorance of SEO and how to arrange the modules in my hubs so that they are optimised as potential earners. I am learning how to do this with the the help of tips from fellow hubbers.
When things go wrong on the site there is always an explanation posted in the forums and problems are always resolved. I recommend hubpages to the extent that I have just set up a second page entitled Tenerife Islander there to focus on Tenerife articles.

You all bicker back and forth. Saying that Hubpages is rubbish, and ran by children. Take a look at yourselves a moment.

You say you detest all the B.S. that can happen in the forums, and Yet Here you are.

Such hypocrisy from some truly amazing Former Hubbers.

I’m glad you left before I truly got to know you all. Because, to be quite honest, You are the type that give online forums a bad name.

Badly done.. Just, Badly done.

Long Live Hubpages.

Who’s the idiot now!

Still YOU Darren, nobodies buying your hard man act. PMSL

Email me and I will send you my address, I have no problem handling myself. I currently live in England, so maybe it will be okay for you to come round to my house and argue your point face to face?

I dont work for Hubpages, I even have my profile linked to my name, I am not hiding behind anything, you on the otherhand jsut have an anonymous name on here.

All I have said about you on here I have learnt from what you posted, which talked about how you duplicated content. Which as you just mentioned as publishing elsewhere, is duplicate content. I can advise you now that you are shooting yourself in the foot by posting the same content in several places, since all your work is being relegated by Google.

As for the drones comment, I would suspect the drones are those who are unable to make money on Hubpages, plenty of people are earning increasing amounts with this service every month.

I initially started with Hubpages for backlinks, I kept the links low, the quality good, and i haven’t been flagged overly promotional. After earning increasing amounts however, I have now shifted the main focus of my workload on to Hubpages.

I’ve been with Hubpages (on and off) for 3 years. Recently, I had a hub flagged as a dupe. I wrote to Maddie 2 weeks ago about it and have yet to receive a reply. My fear is that Hubpages has grown to a point where they’re unable (or unwilling) to serve the individual. Other than that, I have no real beef with them. I love both Pam and Lita very much. And no matter what you think about HP (love them or hate them) they do have some valid points. Hang tough, ladies!

Yeah, everyone is right Hubpages does suck. On my very best days Ive barely cleared 100 a day, usually I only get like 200 a week! I wrote 75 hubs already! It looks like only like 75% of my hubs ever make any money.

Ive been writing there a whole year already if I dont start making money soon Im going to quit and take all my content down so they dont earn a thing!

I’ve been on HubPages for two years and I’m amazed at some of these comments.

The complainants here fall into three categories. The first is the crowd who want to use HubPages to promote their other websites. I use HubPages for that purpose very successfully (and make money on my articles at the same time) – it’s just a case of understanding the restrictions. Yes, the restrictions can be irritating, but they’re valuable in preventing spammers over-running the site and thereby maintaining its excellent rep with Google, so it’s stupid to fight them.

The other category is the crowd who got into arguments in the forums, like Lita. HubPages is a place to write Hubs – participation in the forums is entirely optional. If you choose to join in, respond to trolls and get yourself banned, that’s a personal choice.

The final category, which I confess I don’t understand, is the group of writers who seem to think it should be possible to write for the sake of the art, and still earn money. Pam Grundy is a good example – she’s a wonderful writer who never earned much on HubPages because she refused to “cave in” and make her writing more commercial. Pam writes freelance too, but I bet she doesn’t expect her clients to accept articles on whatever she feels like writing. All writers – journalists, novelists, freelancers – have to tailor their writing to suit their employer’s or readers’ appetites to some extent if they want to get paid. That’s life.

Interesting I posted last night and you had refused to post the first comment or maybe you were a little upset because I posted a link to our forum. I honestly do not know what happened with Lita, I am a little shocked that PGrundy had posted what she stated but all are entitled to there opinions.
Many of us make money on hubpages and there are so many hubbers who have actually written ways to SEO. It isn’t hubpages that you should be angry at they are only abiding by rules that have been set forth by Google. You can make money with Google Adsense you simply have to learn how to SEO, choose keywords and respect Googles Tos and you will do well. If you are a new hubber there are so many that will assist you and there is also the help button in the upper right hand corner that gives you guidance. I have been with hubpages for nearly 3 years and have always had a positive experience with them. I am not a staff member however just like many I write on hubpages, have I ever gotten upset? Who hasn’t but I had to take a look at myself and correct what I was doing and personally redirect myself so that I would not get caught up in the hoopla. Here are a few questions to ask yourself, ” Did I do all that I could to correct any issues that I had?” ” Did I SEO as effectively as I could?” I have written on Squidoo, Helium etc. this is the only site that I have found that is a community full of writers who are able to assist, the format is very simple, the team interracts with the community, it is also a place where many honestly make new friends and of course money if you wish too.
I have talked to many hubbers on the phone where else on the internet could you do that? With any site there will be those who are upset I have gotten upset myself but instead of being the problem we should always find solutions.
Leon I do not know what happened to you or who you were on hubpages but I am certain that if you would have asked, you would have recieved many of us would have reached out to assist you.

I would also recommend that you post all of the comments that have been written based on the e-mail I have recieved regarding comments, a great writer allows all to express there thoughts and opinions even if they are positive or negative.

I won’t hide behind anonymous troll pseudonyms like some have done before my comment. I’d like to leave my brief experiences with Hubpages here, on the side of reassuring and encouraging people to keep it up.

I have been a Hubpages site member for 2 years, roughly. Rockin’ Joe was one of my first fans. Maybe even my first, I can’t quite remember. Anyway, since joining I’ve made enough from Adsense to pay a utility bill pretty every month since my 9th month on the site. I write for my own devices, and make amateur use of keywords and tagging to “lure” in traffic. I write about topics I like. I stay out of the forums because of the drama queens and trolls.

In 2009 I made enough from Adsense to pay a month’s worth of bills. I published a whopping 27 Hubs in 2009. Not much work done, but a month’s worth of bill money earned from just one income source. That doesn’t even count affiliate sales, and yes, I have two Hubs that rank very high in their applicable terms and are solely promoting a product, but I also follow all the rules regarding promotional material. So – it CAN be done.

I have been a member of HubPages for close to 9 months now and find all this bickering disturbing, to say the least. Marisa and SweetiePie I wish to echo to some extent: HP has varying places in which to voice opinions. The forums can indeed be toxic-yet one always has the choice whether or not to participate. In fact, simply reading them can be fairly amusing and revealing.
My earnings with AdSense are meager, yet I write without expectation of huge financial gain.
Lastly, I have written to the HP staff on occasion and have always received a timely response.
What ever happened to the paper media? If one wanted to actually publish, one had to do this the old fashioned way-beginning with only one’s own thoughts-without argument.

i just wanted to say to “Thatguy”…RyanKett is not a tool. also, if i find fault with the two former Hubpagians’ comments, it is not out of jealousy. hee hee everyone always says that when people disagree with them. it also doesn’t mean i am attacking them personally. i thought Lita was a good writer. i never read Pam too much so i can’t say. if they see commercial writing as “caving in” and “selling out”, why not write at writers’ forums like everything2.com? they got some heavy duty, world class writers over there. Hubpages is about making money, duh. calling those of us who choose to write at Hubpages a bunch of no-talent hacks, or typists, or pedants, is really UNcool.

For the record Pam and Lita never called anyone untalented, period. I cannot speak for them, but what I can say is it seems a few on here are personalizing comments they made about Hubpages. Also, I believe the whole us vs. them mentality is being perpetuated by focusing on their comments if you are that upset about their opinions regarding Hubpages. As I have pointed out numerous times these are only their opinions, and I think people could cool it down a notch. Also, I believe people tend to be a little fickle too, and quickly turn on people when they are not saying exactly what they want to hear every five seconds. Also, if you came to this site looking for someone to love Hubpages, well it is obvious the writer of this blog does not, and hence will attract posters that are not in love with the website either. I will stand by my point that I do think a great deal of the criticism being launched towards Pam and Lita is about jealousy, even if some people say they are not.

First off I do not care if anyone likes what I have to write or not, I write for myself. I think some of these comments are pack mentality, and focusing on two people that said something you do not like is a bit over the top. I happen to enjoy the topics Pam and Lita write about, and they are entitled to their opinions.

It is a known fact that social solidarity and a pack mentality occurs when one person gets upset about something, and everyone jumps on the bandwagon. That is exactly what everyone here is exploiting by declaring Pam failed, and she is not doing it the right way. No, she just decided to move on, and I suggest we all do the same. She did actually make money with Hubpages, and she simply decided she could make better money by writing in a more positive environment for her. Anyway, at the end of the day it does not really matter what anyone thinks about anyone else, and we each have to do what is right for us.

Actually for the first time in an online discussion I see myself as one of the rational and non-emotional ones, even though I am a sensitive type. I am seeing the bigger picture, and trying to help others see this too. Besides, and most of the hubbers expressed they think this blog is negative anyway, and how is commenting on it going to really change a thing. The writer and those who do not like Hubpages are not going to suddenly change their minds. I can absolutely guarantee that people would never want to come back to a website if people told them that they failed according to some standard. That is not at all welcoming really.

Apparently some hubbers are mad that certain people no longer want to write on the site and commented on your blog. Not sure why they decided there is not something called freedom of expression in cyberspace.

I have been on hubpages for 3 months now, and I was shocked to find out that so many people that have helped me get started are leaving. There are always going to be bad people wherever you go, especially where everyone has a right to their own opinions.

Pam, I don’t know the whole story, nor do I care to know it. But I will say for every person that has done you wrong, there is no comparison to the # of people that you have helped. We love your writings and we love you. That’s why we followed you and became fans.

I know it hasn’t been long, but you are already missed on HP.

I think the nav bar at the top of this page is perfectly awesome. Forgot to mention that. Gonna have to figure out how you did that!

hey Leon, you don’t mind if I put a teensy referral link in my “website” URL, do you?

(jk)

anyway, SweetiePie, I just have to wonder why Lita and Pam are letting you do all the talking. of course they are reading this.

yeah Oli, right on about the “non-commercial writer” part. you and other skilled hubbers who know the ins and outs and do all that virtual legwork to make big bucks on HubPages know whereof you speak. I have to say I am earning money, although not enough to pay bills but that is why I look to other sources of income as a professional writer. my point is, imagine how well I would be doing if I were doing half of what you and other high-earning hubbers are doing. it IS possible, no doubt.

anyway SweetiePie, I don’t see any emoting on this side of the equation. no one is trash-talking Pam or Lita. respondents are just saying ‘of course you can make money at HubPages and of course there are talented writers there and real writers too and it is NOT a scam.

thank you.

I’m sure Leon is happy for the traffic to his blog, and as far as I’m concerned, the more power to anyone who has the guts and determination to start his own business above and beyond what is offered out there (and what they assume you should ‘take’) on these investment capital funded revenue sharing sites–and from which they reap the far larger profit overall under their ‘rules.’ One point.

Point number two: I think none here are aware of the actual issues surrounding the criticism (completely within our rights)that both Pam and I offered of HP. Criticism I should point out, that is entirely based on our personal experiences with the site and that is, in part, unknown to you. To the extent that this has been taken to a personal level, that names of private citizens, using their actual names and not ‘handles’ on a website are pinpointed–those private citizens who do work professionally as writers–and where derogatory intimations that may be proven untrue and damaging to these individuals reputations are ‘guessed’ at, is the extent to which these words are indeed ‘self righteous.’

Reviewing definitions of libel and defamation may be of help, for those both posting here and on the HP thread which attacked Pam Grundy.

It may also be a surprise for some to know that I’m glad that many are happy with HP. May you stay so. However, the website is obviously not for everyone for many different reasons, and as it grows larger, this criticism becomes more valid, in my opinion. Some very good questions have been drawn here by many concerning the problems of this business model–whether an observer chooses to further research them or not is entirely up to them. Taking this to a personal level clearly spells out in spades the issues that a few have experienced with HP and does nothing to enhance the reputation of the site.

That is just gross. Thanks for letting cyberspace know you cannot find a girlfriend.

@ Noel: Dear doltish being, not all clicks are created equal. Due to the competition within the adverts, some “AdWords” pay better than others. Get a life…

@ HubPages: Your forums is what sucks! They often ban the individuals who show relentless intellect and they seem to detest the ones who despise the sensitive, fluffy pansies & delicate tulips, that is, the ones who do not bring the toilet paper to the scene of forum asininity! How dare me, to hurt your fucking feelings! Ha-ha! HubPages, outside of its great money-making opportunities (…depending upon your strategy), is a low-grade “feel good” site full of lies to boast the ego of poor, incompetent writers that totally suck ass albeit they constantly pump hogwash into the search engines at a common rate that only an active cesspool can keep up with shit!

Most of the actual non-promotional, talented “writers,” will not find satisfaction from this amateur-based site that promotes earning cash from nonsense, empty enunciations, premium poppycock, vague verbiage, and so on. Overall, HupPages sucks about as much ass as the Judicial Branch of BS!
Now, if you’re new to the cyber-world, join on in! Take it from me, I made the mistake of thinking it was a professional site… Wrong! LOL!

Lita Sorensen was banned from HubPages because SHE was the ACTUAL troll.

She was very lonely and harassing men constantly. She is on psychiatric medication for her mental illness.

This is why the staff at hubpages banned her PERMANENTLY!!

HP is very generous, they only ban people for a few days as a form of punishment. But they made an exception in Lita Sorensen’s case because of her extremely offensive behavior.

It is best to IGNORE trolls like Lita Sorensen!

Homegirl, because we can. Its called freedom of Speech, it is the Cornerstone of existence. It is the pivot, which allows us to have whatever religion we want, be as bent or straight as we want. Allows us to work in whatever Profession, we wish, or be a wasteful drop-kick, allows people to set us Sites like this (Totally professional) Site.
It is,in fact the Cornerstone of Modern Civilisation.
It is the reason Lta I and others were banned, because Hubpages were given the right to kerb “our” freedom of speech.
I have very little respect for Hubpages Management, as it seems that their version of freedom of Speech, is based solely on what agrees with them.
So to all the Hubpages People, and to all their lackies, drones and yesmen/woman, I ould like to say thanks for all your pro comments on this Site. I know that you are all fairly free to do so as most of you Don’t seriously have lives.
In much the same way as Hitler pushed his ideals Hubpages pushes its own Agenda.
They seriously couldn’t give a “Rats” about making money, for you, Wake up and smell the roses, it is about them.
Hubpages sucks in its own way. But the people don’t.
I remember Lita, Badco Goldentoad AE mistyhorizon Sweetiepie, and of course the naughty Tkensei.(I had no idea TK hat you were a Troll! tho) Of course all the others as well, you Guys rock, I joined Hubpages initially as Maddie Rudds fan. I just think she is young and possibly too niave to control some of the more adult activities, particularly in the Forums.
I still use Hubpages, because firstly I am a hypocrite and secondly because the traffic is good.

I add

who’s right is freedom of speach? it might be americas but unless its written into your own countries constitution it aint no right. hupbages is a business and if peeps are misbehavin then they have a right to keep them in order.

Hmmm, are we spoiled adolescents who can’t obey rules? Or adults?

Another downside is that it’s free so anyone can hub and monster troll as they wish until the hub police corrects their behavior. Obviously, if there are people going around calling people names, since there are no resident psychologists available to deal with their insecurities, the only answer is to ban. I fully support it.

First of all I would like to say, though I really don’t know you all that well, Sweetiepie, of course Lita Sorenson insulted people’s work. She just can’t take being insulted in return. You should know better than to lie, that’s plain slander. Is that what you are as a person?

Second of all, it seems that Lita Sorenson is the same person on another site who kept insulting me (I could be wrong but it seems like the same person) in every single thread where I posted something. When I suggested that she was verbally harassing me (if that was her), she tried to make it appear as if I was suggesting that she was physically harassing me by following me around. While that is true, it was her “verbal harassing” that I was addressing.

I could careless less about you. However, when my reputation is being ruined by someone who insists on spoiling my reputation because I didn’t not bow down to her or appreciate her writing, whether mentioned by name or not but simply being alluded to and then harassed by other members as a result, I have no other alternative then to set the story straight. I accidently found this site, and really, do you guys really think you can say what you do without being caught. This is the world wide web after all.

I came to the site under the impression that I would simply write hubs and not be harassed by some pretty famous trolls. It seems the more you harass, the more you gain popularity (become famous) with some of the hubbers. That makes writing at hubpages a bummer. Anyway, I have my own writings to attend to. However, hubpages is great with the exception of some resident trolls. No they’re not hubpage staff so they shouldn’t be blamed for the behavior of those who act with little class.

You know what I have a problem with, at HubPages and outside of HubPages? Snobs. And there seems to be a few of them at HuPages. I am not talking about Darkside here, or Sunforged or Marisa. They are all super people and amazing hubbers. But there are one of two so-called heavyweights who really rub me the wrong way. Plus they say a lot of mean things to other people and HubPages looks the other way, which is not right. And Lita, you’re a decent shot, but you do a lot of the same “I’m a real writer so I’m better than you”. There are a lot of “real writers” at HubPages but they don’t go around telling people “I’m a real writer”. But I am getting weary of HubPages because they DO look the other way way too often in their forums, especially with one of their “power” hubbers and two known trolls with many, many multiple accounts. The power hubber hurts a lot of people’s feelings and the two trolls spoil all the fun at that site and are counterproductive, and troublemakers besides. If HubPages really cares about quality content, they have to realize that part of that includes the people they allow on their site.

That’s a message to the trolls at hubpages. And people should wonder, why would anyone go out of their way to insult someone. Why go out of their way? Jealousy? A true snob wouldn’t even bother.

Or maybe it’s the webmaster changing my posts?

I also have a negative experience with Hubpages.

Rather than just throwing around insults (which I don’t think gets us anywhere), I have collected my thoughts into an article. People posting on this discussion might be interested in it:

Hubpages is a Scam – Yes, a bold title I know, so I guess you know how I feel about the site. But I do think I’ve backed my argument up pretty thoroughly.

There are some pretty major objections I have to how the site is run. Most of them center around the business model and the way the company is not at all up front about the policies on the site.

I’d be grateful if you all would check out that page and let me know what you think.

Yes, I know what you mean; hubpages is a bit of a free-for-all, and I don’t like that–the same thing has been happening with Digg lately too, in my opinion. Fortunately I didn’t have any run-ins with negative users like you describe, but I did see some forum discussions which seemed less-than-supportive.

I’m glad you appreciated my article! It’s funny, when I wrote it I wasn’t sure what kind of reception it was going to get but people are sending me lots of positive feedback about it; that page has actually become one of the most viewed pages on my opinion site!

hey Laurel….i wasn’t going to respond on this site but to you i will..first let me say i am really glad that you are an elite hubber. you deserve it. i have no qualms about that at all. the elite thing is only one small portion of the ‘why cosette left hubpages’ puzzle. you are well acquainted with the other most pronounced reason. i know these people aren’t the community but they do affect your creativity and muse and try as you might to ignore it, they just don’t stop and they never will. for me, i need to distance myself from it. when these things begin invading your headspace and sleep, then it’s not worth it anymore, you know? i will be reborn under a new name where these people can’t touch me and at my own domain where i can control who comes in the gate, so to speak. i think i am done with writing ‘communities’. i will just be a happy member of the blogosphere in adition to my own site. but not as cosette. thanks so much for this post. write to me at my old account. preferably in reply to one of my old emails so i know it is you.

take care and happy hubbing

Ah, cosette, I can’t. My old email was ‘phished’ a few months ago and I’ve lost all of those addresses. I wonder if you can get on HP and contact me? If not, I’ll take a chance and leave you my new email address here. If anyone tries ‘phish’ my account again, they won’t be successful-fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me!
Another ‘place’ you can find me is Facebook. Under my real name. Same avatar. Let me know. This is the only place I can find you now. And I would sincerely like to follow your career as a writer.
I look forward to hearing from you, cosette.
Laurel
It pisses me off to no end that you continue to be harassed, especially in your sleep. That is criminal to me. Honestly. But as you know well, ‘she’ is still using, and I’m trying to avoid her insane banter as best I can.

Now I know why Cagsil always gave me the creeps lol.
But it’s the Marisa Wright character that really gets up my nose. Anyone who goes round the Forums like a Hubpages police, judging people’s standards of writing (considering their own to be of the highest), chastizing people, offering ‘help’ on the Forums in order to behave like an authority, speaking down to people, but reserving a ‘we intelligent, sensible people’ tone for a chosen few and ignoring many others and I could go on …..

This arrogant Marisa Wright character must have real BIG problems in the off-line world to have a need to do what he/she does on Hubpages. I’ve reported him/her loads of times for personal attacks (as subtle as they are) and disrespectful behaviour (not subtle at all), and I hope other people have done the same. But it’s no good, the Marisa Wright character is given cart blanch to do what the hell he/she likes with other Hubbers.

Just takes the fun out of hubbing, that’s all.

What the hell. We all know this being is a sick little nobody, who no one ever has the necessity to listen to in the off-line world. LOL!

I’ve never had a problem with the Marisa Wright character either, but it grieves me to see the way she treats others.
The odd-balls we’ve both mentioned here are some of the few who make Hubpages the childish place it’s become, and if the people who run the place let it go on that way, it won’t be taken seriously as a ‘writer’s site’ for too much longer.
btw Have you ever read hubs by the likes of Relache or Marisa Wright? It’s comforting to know they can’t write at all. They just tell people they can, and some people are stupid enough to believe it.

Meg, I think we should post some of the trashy quotes in the hubpages forums to show the ignorance they allow from the popular elitists, what do you think?

Mark Knowlesposted 43 hours agoin reply to this
Yeah – prolly a good analogy. God = McDonalds. Great advertising, garbage product, disinterested staff, money making franchise operation. Popular with ignorant, poor people and indoctrinated children, and will eventually be closed down for abusing the customers. Yes. The only real difference I see is McDonalds do better plastic toys to buy children’s loyalty.

Pretty meaningless argument though – especially as you are once again going against god’s word and arguing with unbelievers. Oh well – thanks for validating my opinion that none of you are actually christians and cannot follow your meaningless rule book.
replymore.

This is what kind of things the elitist atheist staff along with mall cop maggie allow and promote on their site. Let someone defend their belief and they get banned while the popular atheist liberals keep their membership.

relacheposted 5 months ago
I follow only about three dozen people, but have close to 2000 followers.

There’s no way I’d consider following most of the people who are following me. The majority of what is written by all of them isn’t of sufficient quality nor on topics which interest me.

Great post, now I see what you mean. I will take a wild guess and say she is an atheist liberal wannabe elitist like her buddy Marisa that defends her in the threads.

Please give me a break. I may not be the greatest writer but I still love writing. Hubpages gives me a platform to not only allow me to write but also allow me to make money with my writing.

I have met a great amount of wonderful people there and at trying times a lot of hubbers were there and stood by my side. I have also met many hubbers that I talk to outside of Hubpages.

Are there different sorts at Hubpages? Of course there are but thats what makes it such a great place.

For the record I do not work at Hubpages or anything like that. Was just tired of all the bashing going on and wanted to be in the corner for Hubpages

Thanks Hubpages

“Are there different sorts at Hubpages? Of course there are but thats what makes it such a great place.

For the record I do not work at Hubpages or anything like that. Was just tired of all the bashing going on and wanted to be in the corner for Hubpages”

Dale, it would be a great place if they allowed diverse beliefs, but the mall cop bans anyone that disagrees with the atheist liberals while they only get temporary numerous suspensions. The moderators are obviously biased to someones believed elitism of which ones they pick to ban or allow. The proof is clearly in the forums.

This is awesome! http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/53976 A beauty writer steps in to explain things to the HP morons. LOL

Hello Cosette! I forgot to tell you, I was recently “truthdebater” as well, the scumbag atheists mark and cagsil knew it and ran their chops telling on me like the little ignorant children they are. I’m glad i’m not the only one that noticed that mall cop maggie is biased to side with her liberal atheist buddies such as mark. I don’t have any writing I want to keep alive such as blog or hub, I am trying to put together a book eventually, but I appreciate the offer and it is great seeing you. Are there any forums you know of such as this with intelligent conversation without getting banned for minor offenses?

hey Marine. i knew that was you – i think i read it in one of those forum posts. i hope you get whatever problems you are having resolved.

hi EmpressFelicity. i always liked that name by the way. anyway, it is not just the forums where these problems occur, and anyone would have difficulty dealing with them as they are ongoing and relentless. even someone with a buffalo hide would have difficulty dealing with it, as these problems bleed out into people’s hub comments and on external sites. i think you have been there long enough to know that is true.

now, another thing i wanted to point out is something pgrundy sais about rules being applied inconsistently. i will take it a step farther and state that she was being generous there, as the rules are bent all the time in favor of whoever the mods and elite squads favor, which is fine but they are supposed to be impartial and champion the rights of all community members who play fair and observe the rules, and that is simply not the case. for example, the HubNuggets are supposed to be for new members only, right? yet several times i have seen seasoned members create new accounts under new names and not only did they get nominated for Hubnugget awards, they won and the people nominatig them said they knew they were old hubbers but gosh darn they liked their new stuff so much they deserved to be nominated. in what Universe is that fair? so i thought my alter ego, Quincy, a fab pug who wrote fun articles (some of the Hubnugget team even said so) (unofficially, mind you), that Quincy could be a Hubpages elite. it would be kind of cute to have that cute little pug welcome new people, so i asked the Hubteam and they said oh no the rules state new members can’t be elite hubbers even though they knew it was me.

riiiight.

until you have endured the harrassment and defamation of character on a continual basis coupled with the unfair application of Hubpages’ enforcement of the rules, you really can’t understand the plight of those who do.

yesterday i Googled and found that one of my 100-score hubs had been stolen by notouch002 and copied word-for-word and alerted the Hubteam. i filed a DMCA report and asked them to remove the hub. no one has replied to my email or removed the hub. so don’t tell me Hubpages plays fair and doesn’t punish those people who get on their bad side. they do not play fair and they do in fact get nasty when you don’t kiss a$$, which speaks volumes about their lack of professionalism and ethical treatment of their members. they should at the very least cleanse their site of members like notouch2002 who commit plagiarism, since it is a “writing” site (rolls eyes). again, if that is the kind of hubber they want at their site, it is a refection of the site as a whole, as Hubapges is its members, is it not?

hey there EmpressFelicity. you are right, it was a question of time – they deleted the hub. i should have given them at least 48 hours to resolve the problem. i would have gone further and deleted that hubber but they seem to think it is ok to have a content theif on their site, so so be it.

re: your other comments:

EmpressFelicity: “The people who go in for offline harassment must not deem me worthy of their attention LOL, because I’ve not had any problems in that department. Obviously your mileage varies greatly from mine!”

consider yourself fortunate that you haven’t fallen under the crosshairs of these people then. others besides myself have, and there will be more long after people forget who cosette ever was, i would take that to the bank. why? because they are allowed to get away with it over and over again. well, that is their playground so let them have their fun. i am almost done getting it all out and moving on.

EmpressFelicity: “No, that definitely isn’t fair. (But – playing Devil’s advocate here – how do you know it’s true that these “old hands” are creating new accounts to enter the Hubnuggets contest? More to the point, why on earth would anyone bother? I personally don’t pay much attention to the Hubnuggets thing myself.)”

i know because i read one instance of it for myself, when a long-term hubber BadCompany created a new account called tattoguy and was nominated for a Hubnugget award. Szuzybee posted on the Hubnuggets page that she was aware of who he was but he got the nomination anyway. againm bending the rules for some and not others. in the other case, i was told personally on the phone about the Hubnugget nomination and award by another long-term hubber who i respect and so i will not mention his name here, but he created a new identity and they knew who he was but gave him an award. i always thought the hubnuggets existed to encourage new hubbers. my mistake.

EmpressFelicity: “I just knew that “elite” thing would cause trouble and strife. And it has.”

if it has caused trouble because it is because it is not for all members, as it says. it is for a select few. i have seen people become ‘welcome wagon’ elites and who do nothing to justify that title – they don’t help newbies in any way, shape or form yet have that title on their profile and act all smug about it.they can do that, i guess, but Hubpages shouldn’t say “anyone who wants to be an elite member can be – all they have to do is ask” because that is just not accurate.hey there EmpressFelicity. you are right, it was a question of time – they deleted the hub. i should have given them at least 48 hours to resolve the problem. i would have gone further and deleted that hubber but they seem to think it is ok to have a content thief on their site, that’s their prerogative.

Damn, this page has turned into one giant “chat room” full of renamed rejects and re-established retards that hope to rectify the rectums of HubPages’ staff with their relentless ramifications of the regurgitation that is rifely running rampant amid the redundant comment field. Cheers now! Ha-ha!
I just checked Bing.com and this particular page currently ranked #3 for the terms ‘HubPages Suck’…so many felicitations for that…
Holy shit! Even Mr. Marine has dropped by; nice to hear from ya! Yep, ya kind of screwed yourself on the forums by letting the nutjobs and/or important whackjobs know that you believed in divine consciousness. It’s too bad that most of the people on there were barely conscious and damn sure wasn’t coherent, to begin with. Ahh, it was still fun talking to you on there, Mr. Marine, along with a few other people that were often labelled as “woo-woos,” even though it was hard to keep an intelligent conversation going without getting interrupted by angry atheists. LOL! Hey, just do like most rebellious bastards do and grab yourself a couple free blogs and, if you got the extra cash, a few paid domains and/or personal websites wouldn’t hurt either, then presto; have fun spreading your words of chaos & madness. Yeah, well, I understand that a lot of people would rather chat on a forum or hey, this web page speaks for itself; like I said earlier, y’all turned it into a chat room full of ______.

thanks for editing that, Leon. it must have been pretty bad to make you come down there

(hey, you added an Edit button! thanks. )

Anti-Dolt wrote: “Damn, this page has turned into one giant “chat room” full of renamed rejects and re-established retards that hope to rectify the rectums of HubPages’ staff with their relentless ramifications of the regurgitation that is rifely running rampant amid the redundant comment field. Cheers now! Ha-ha!
I just checked Bing.com and this particular page currently ranked #3 for the terms ‘HubPages Suck’…so many felicitations for that…
Holy shit! Even Mr. Marine has dropped by; nice to hear from ya! Yep, ya kind of screwed yourself on the forums by letting the nutjobs and/or important whackjobs know that you believed in divine consciousness. It’s too bad that most of the people on there were barely conscious and damn sure wasn’t coherent, to begin with. Ahh, it was still fun talking to you on there, Mr. Marine, along with a few other people that were often labelled as “woo-woos,” even though it was hard to keep an intelligent conversation going without getting interrupted by angry atheists. LOL! Hey, just do like most rebellious bastards do and grab yourself a couple free blogs and, if you got the extra cash, a few paid domains and/or personal websites wouldn’t hurt either, then presto; have fun spreading your words of chaos & madness. Yeah, well, I understand that a lot of people would rather chat on a forum or hey, this web page speaks for itself; like I said earlier, y’all turned it into a chat room full of ______.”

#3, you say? cool! that means that the problems at Hubpages are getting exposure. i hope this means they address these issues instead of looking the other way. thanks for that update.

now…

i challenge you to come back as yourself instead of hiding behind a fake username.

hmm, let’s see…Anti-Dolt is a person who:

a) hates MarineAlways
b) uses the word “dolt”
c) cusses
d) is fond of punctuating his insults with smiley faces
e) labeling those with differing opinions and experiences as “whack jobs”, “woo-woos”, “nutjobs”, “rejects” and the like. i have to ask, however, how voluntarily leaving a site and asking that your account be deleted makes someone a reject, as Hubpages did not boot me nor many of the others off their site. i think you might be right about “rebellious” though.
f) is also fond of alliteration
g) enjoys Googling stats and whathaveyou

“chaos” and “madness”? that would describe what goes on in the forums and bleeds to people’s hubs. it also describes the general running-amokedness of those so-called hubbers who fling poo at anyone just for the sake of flinging poo. welcome to the monkey house.

so be a man and come back as yourself. then maybe your tough-guy talk will have some meaning.

p.s. the only cool tough-talkin’ guy was King Larry. long may he reign.

LoL What’s going on Mr. Diverse, how have you been? Great to see you again, what happened to you on the forums, banned as well? The angry atheists had it out for me, they don’t forget people that hurt and put doubt in their ignorant faith by asking simple questions.

Wordscribe, Maddie/Maggie the mall cop and whichever other moderators are completely ignorant along with deeds person or whoever employs them. It is nothing less than ignorant to permanently ban people because of simple forum comments when those people put numerous hours writing and drawing publicity to your site. Then, they don’t even have the common courtesy to answer e-mails or explain the ban. I hope the ignorant site fails for it’s poor service to the people that make it.

Cosette, you and this thread are getting all of the problems solved! Thank you. It is nice having freedom to write what I want without liberal hupage mallcop atheists on power trips trying to ban me!

@Cosette: Your alphabetical list you provided me, is not even accurate. It may be hard for you to believe, but not all of the comments on this page center around you. [Such a shocker!] I was simply spitting some familiar jive to some, so Mr. Marine and a few other people that I actually liked on there, would know who I am without having to say so. I don’t have to talk to the entire crowd, ya know. If I was you, I wouldn’t jut yourself out into other people’s comments so eagerly, considering you have ate your words…how many times on this page? By the way, I use different names for multiple sites & blogs; you know, for relevance. Ha-ha!

@Mr. Marine: Hey, long time no speak. I hope all is well on your side of the spectrum and that you still take pride in killing insects offline. LOL! Yeah, like you, I think I got shitcanned for creating an extra account to circumvent my multiple forum bannings. In fact, I got canned a couple days after you did. …Except that last time, both my accounts got banned from the entire site that was full of social rejects, imbecilic beings, pantywaist pansies, and whatnot. I didn’t bother or attempt coming back under a new account, since I found myself wasting too much time on that poorly managed site. I still enjoyed debating and bull-shitting with some of ya, though. Maybe we’ll meet up again on some other forum or website in the future, so we can spread our madness and add to the turmoil and/or the hubbub at hand. Take care… Cheers!

Hello Cosette, Diverse.

Cosette, he is excellent! Thank You for asking. But he is getting too big too fast, I think babies should say babies for longer lol.

Don’t be surprised if you, me, and no one else is heard by the hubpages staff, what do you expect from ignorant children running a site? But it’s alright, your words help me out to see i’m not the only one that sees how ridiculous the moderators and staff are, plus, i’m sure the ignorant staff will not be too happy when we get this thread bumped to number one showing how lacking hubpages customer treatment is. I don’t think maddie the mall cops segway works on this thread, oops. lol
There is so much ass kissing in the hubpages forums it is ridiculous! With the forums strict rules banning anyone that speaks their mind, I wouldn’t be surprised if everyone is a completely different person apart from the hubpages forums. It’s as if they try to mold you into only speaking of certain things or a certain way as to hope you don’t offend anyone and get reported.

Mr. Diverse, the two people I like on this thread, you and cosette and the two of you get in a fight. lol.
Have you found any other good forums that aren’t so stuck up as hubpages? I am still killing the critters unfortunately and I am very happy the heat is almost over. I have to find a new job before next summer, the heat can go to hell.
I think I wasted far too much time on the site as well. I did learn a lot in the forums when I wasn’t battling angry atheists for hurting their faith. I never made much from my hubs because they weren’t marketing hubs with products to sell, so no skin off my back there. I do wish to write a book soon if I will stop being lazy to work on it lol.
I will talk to you soon, don’t cause too little chaos.

hi EmpressFelicity. i wrote more than a few ‘sales’ hubs; especially about gadgets like the Nintendo DS, the iPod, iPad, etc. and i did earn but no one mentions how you have to give 30% of your earnings to Uncle Sam every quarter. this is the stuff that remains after Hubpages takes their 40%. but you’re right, i should have written more exclusively sales-type hubs but i read some hubs from the top earners there, Misha and Mark Knowles and frankly i found them boring as hell but that is just my opinion. and that is not sour grapes talking. anyone, including myself, could do that at some point if they are dedicated and live on that site 24/7 and have an eBay account, which i don’t. so in that regard, Hubpages didn’t mesh with what i wanted to do but even so, it would have been worth exploring if not for the idiots running amok there. i mean these people are criminals, bragging about smoking pot, smoking crack, etc. who wants to roll with criminals? not me. and they laugh about it and say ‘bring on the hookers’ …ugh. how juvenile. anyway i think this horse is dead. i wish you all the best over there. you seem pretty cool.

hee hee Marine, how sweet. enjoy that little guy. hey here’s a good song. it came on my iPod when i was driving home and i cranked it. it set me right. take care buddy. hugs and whatnot.

You can tell everyone I’m a down disgrace,
Drag my name all over the place,
I don’t care anymore,
You can tell everybody ’bout the state I’m in,
But you won’t catch me crying cos I can’t win
I don’t care anymore, I don’t care anymore.

I don’t care what you say,
I don’t play the same games you play.

Cos I’ve been talking to the people that you call your friends,
And it seems to me there’s a means to an end,
They don’t care anymore,
And as for me I can sit here and bide my time,
I got nothing to lose if I speak my mind,
I don’t care anymore, no I don’t care anymore.

I don’t care what you say,
We never played by the same rules anyway,
I won’t be there anymore,
Get out of my way, let me by,
I got better things to do with my time.

I don’t care anymore,
I don’t care anymore,
I don’t care anymore,
I don’t care anymore.

Well I don’t care now what you say,
Cos everyday,
I’m feeling fine with myself,
And I don’t care now what you say, hey,
Hey I’ll do alright by myself, cos I know.

Cos I remember all the times I tried so hard,
But you laughed in my face holding all the cards,
I don’t care anymore,
Well I really ain’t bothered what you think of me,
Cos all I want of you is just let me be, I don’t care anymore,
Do you hear I don’t care no more.

I don’t care what you say,
I never did believe you much anyway,
I won’t be there anymore,
So get out of my way, let me by,
I got better things to do with my time.

I don’t care anymore,
Do you hear I don’t care anymore,
I don’t care no more…

Meg i have a sneaking suspicion that some of those hubbers who get away with stuff are staff members. Cagsil posts some borderline bad taste images of half-naked women and no one bats an eye, meanwhile someone like Dohn121 posts TASTEFUL, beautiful photo hubs of gorgeous, wholeome young women and gets his hubs flagged or moved with the auntie hubs. what’s up with that? and i have seen old Cags attack people all the time and he gets away with it. whatever. i have no respect for Hubpages anymore after this. ciao bebe.

The comments look like a day in the senate or tea party rally. Kind of like the interactions with a certain demographic of and on hubpages.

As for flinging poo, please don’t hate me because I was on the first page shortly after I joined hubpages. Grammar is one thing, writing something original and beautifully worded is another. I suggest people use both if they want a high hubscore.

HubPages is a sanctum sanctorum for brain-addled leftists, drug addicts and wannabe writers. Some of us suspect that their top dog hubbers (the atheists who enjoy protection from the moderators) are staff members. Many other people have written about the same subjects as these alleged top hubbers but earn squat. It is true that HubPages uses accolades and hubscores to keep people coming back for more in a Pavlovian sort of way – Cosette was a perfect example. There was someone for whom accolades were important so she tolerated much for very little in return ($150/mo) and her Amazon sales, which is another scam. I’m glad she had enough and left, even though it was shitty what happened to her. She’s better off.

If people want to spend hours per “hub” writing free marketing copy for amazon.com and generating tons of revenue clicks for HubPages while earning a pittance in return and suffering the presence of the worst the internet has to offer, HubPages is the way to go!

One of my fave pastimes is a little detective work, but it didn’t take much detecting as far as this is concerned. You talk about never knowing who is who on Hubpages, so what about this — WryLilt is Marisa Wright’s sockpuppet! LOL

Sergeant Truth, Religious/Non religious belief and political belief is at the root or base of every belief. To not discuss and talk about belief would be the same as not talking about or doing science. I respect those on hubpages that respect others that don’t share their liberal atheist belief, and don’t believe themselves as superior elitists to those who don’t share their atheist liberal belief. It is evident that the moderators and their elitist atheist buddies do not respect others of different belief, this is not blind faith, there are logical examples of them banning people that disagree with them. People get upset in religious or atheist arguments because most are defensive of their faith and belief, faith and belief is the root of themselves. No one has to “win” or discover “god” to learn whats not already written. Discoveries come through conversation and speculation, not content and silence.

Hubpages NonLiberal said:
“Meg, I agree on Cagsil, he runs around telling people to become aware and control their lives to stop relying on religion, but has no self awareness to realize how ignorant and unaware he himself is! I figured I would use “his” favorite word”.

What other word could you use for him? I can’t think of one. LOL

Dear Anti-Dolt, I think your vision of the next evolution of human beings is a return to our primordial, neanderthal past. In which case, I pass.

So, argue all you want, at the end of that debate, there will be no winners, just speculators. And speculating is just fine as long as others don’t pay a price for speculating something different. And as long as no one is judged based on their ethnicity, gender, or political views. I refuse to explain further what I mean by prejudice because that’ll rock the boat, and I don’t want to be a contributor to this toxic political climate.

Non-Liberal, that’s fine. I never said anyone should suppress anyone else’s religious beliefs. The atheists drive me crazy too sometimes, and I’m quasi-liberal(but mostly don’t belong to a category like yourself). I never said I believe in squelching debate, it’s just that there comes a point when things get inflamed so people get malicious. If maliciousness were allowed to run rampant then that’s just not a pleasant atmosphere for all. I don’t believe in being too PC but, well, people go overboard these days.

@Sergeant Truth: I’m not talking about supporting mythical Moses or any other bible-based jargon from my corner, but people should be able to discuss, debate, and even argue on the HubPages forums (especially the religion & politics section) about anything, no matter how diverse the beliefs may be, without biased cyber-cops going around giving permanent bans to the ones that don’t go around kissing everyone’s ass, while letting certain ones roam freely with their Kindergarten-style behavior. Then again, it is their stupid site to do as they please! Plus, you don’t seem to realize how much a person can learn from others or find out things about their self, by arguing or debating with others; it is not pointless to everyone. By the way, another problem with online forums is that, nowadays, too many people are so much softer & sensitive and often cry like a little baby if they feel they have been violated by some petty insult or claim to be “attacked” or whatever. The fluffy folks need to stay out of political or religious debates, if they can’t handle disagreement.
As for your “next evolution for human beings” comment: Well, it wouldn’t be the first time we have started this thing over.
In fact, if some of those religious nuts start sending off nukes one day, we may encounter a slight numeric modification to our current populace, but hopefully not.
At times, it seems that the mentality of mankind, in general, is evolving backwards as the technology advances, however that sounds; this could fall under the ‘man versus machine’ file, but that’s another subject… Well, I need to keep this comment more germane to the primary subject: HubPages suck!

Maybe “Sergeant Truth” watches too much from the Disney channel… Personally, I don’t even watch television nor do I have cable TV at the moment; I get enough entertainment from the imbecilic critters offline and, of course, online as well.
A simple “PC” TEST for Mr. Sergeant Truth: I hate to say it, but we may have another flaming idiot from HubPages’ forums at hand; ya know, the ones like S.T. who always say very little about anything in particular – when it involves their opinion or thoughts about a subject matter – other than ridiculing others, even though they often have a fetish for getting pervaded by their own personal “studded dildos,” in private.

Wrylilt, so your justification for them banning peoples accounts for minor forum offenses is that “not many hub writers use them” and “they don’t ban the ones making money”? Where do you get your 1% statistics at? Is this researched or just a number you came up with?

WryLilt said:
‘I find it highly amusing that anyone considers me a sock puppet.’
I don’t only consider WryLilt a sock puppet — I know WryLilt is a sock puppet. Marisa Wright’s!
Marisa (I’ll address you as such, since that’s who I’m REALLY talking to), we’ve chatted too many times on Infobucket’s Hubpages Chat Room — you calling yourself WryLilt, of course. I know so much about you.
BTW Cut the bit about WryLilt studying journalism in the profile — the writing sucks too much for that to be true. It’s just like yours LOL

hey, Meg, who are you @ Hubpages if i may ask? Marisa doesn’t strike me as that wry chck at all. plus she was never one to hide her true self to speak her mind, unlike so many of those milquetoasty sorts over there hiding behind sockpuppets or waiting until people leave so they can suck up to all the druggies and alcoholics. well, birds of a feather….

anyway, good detective work if you are right – especially about that cagsil dude. he doesn’t strike me as very intelligent, yet he enjoys being treated as if he walks on water. well, that says a lot about Hubpages, doesn’t it.

i would have been long gone if only Hubpages would get their act together and take care of some administrative stuff for me. i don’t know why they drag their wagon – oh, wait….because i am not one of the inner “sanctum sanctorum”, as Professor Plum stated. hee hee how apropos…

“Meg” = “Earthlover”?

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/40240?page=7

The style of writing is the same, as is the er, preoccupation with one particular hubber (well, two actually).

I suspect that both “Meg” and “Earthlover” are pseudonyms for another, more well-known member of HP, but I’ll never be able to prove it so what the hell.

But then you get all kinds with the internet.

Oh, a nobody who thinks he’s some sort of literary genius because he fermented his stature in blogs. Like I said, I’m so very sorry that I became instantly successful. My bad.

I’m so sorry that a person without an M.F.A can actually become a published author. Seems to me that it takes talent more than schooling or half of the literary world wouldn’t be published. Talent.

Writing an actual book that gets published through an actual publishing agency requires actual talent.

It is becoming apparent to me that Hubpages doesn’t really have a problem. The problem lay with the idiots who will argue, debate, deride, nitpick, squabble and name call, even here.

Thank you for the link WryLilt. I shall visit it soon and sign up accordingly.

Iznogoud, your pathetic assumpts iz no good. Freaking hypocrite, you complain about others name calling and whining as you nit pick, whine, and name call. Are you superior those you think are whining since you are pointing it out you think it is whining? You will fit right in at hubpages. LOL

So pointing out that someone is whining is whining?

I guess you’re right. But it’s a circular argument.

Because you’re pointing out that I’m whining about others whining.

And now I’m pointing out that you’re whining that I’m whining that others are whining.

And on and on it goes.

If you pathetic hasbeens and wannabes can stay here and bitch and complain it’ll make it a lot nicer at hubpages when I arrive.

I’ll be there soon enough. I just need to discuss with the event coordinators whether I’m going with the long pile or weave for the red carpet I want rolled out when I make my grand entrance at hubpages.

@Miss Iznogoud: Your circular argument circles around your own arse. Simply put, you are the stupid bitch who is pretending to be “new” to the site or “going to join” HubPages, when you obviously are in affiliation with the ‘circular of hogwash’ that supports the swill & slop of “Hub Love” via Elite dog shit or, in milder terms, in affiliation with WryLilt and her brain-dead ilks.
WTF?
You must really be a dumb dolt, to not realize how obvious you are. In fact, join up if you really are a stranger to the game, get acquainted and come back and share your wealth of knowledge after you have been there for a long while. Oh, let me guess, you made money off articles that demonstrated such things that were similar to “how to tie your shoes properly?” Well, I guess that makes you a guru of some sorts, but, then again, that comes with the downfalls and shortcomings of trying to earn pennies from poppycock AND this also manifests the cyber-degradation that occurs when people take advantage of AdSense along with any other program that exploits silly adverts for asinine, monetary reasons that fuel the accounts of ignoramuses without a life and/or deprives an individual from having thoughts of their own – that isn’t brainwashed by Uncle Sam’s ass or their feeble-minded authorities that they worship – in all facets of the term authority!
You’re a shoddy sham!!!

@Iznogoud: In a reflective fashion, perhaps you just described yourself, and that being…”a nutcase in a satchel.”
By the way, the last time I checked, this is a blog post, not a forum thread from Hubville’s “please click my adverts” pages. You have commented into something they call a “comment field.” Some of us have elected to receive e-mail notifications, for whatever reasons, when new comments arrive to this page, obviously.
I can’t speak for everyone that got banned from the forums or for the ones with site-wide bannings, but after I had my last forum ban (simultaneously from both my accounts), I never returned to the HubPages forums under any other type of name…and that was several months ago.
Now, as far as you getting abused by other males in your life: well, that’s not relevant to this subject.
As the ones who often speak about people needing to get mental help, are usually the ones who actually need it; so, good luck with that……

Iznogoud says:

“I think among the dolts and nonliberals its a classic case of “battered wife syndrome”. Seriously, if you think you are being abused, leave Hubpages. Its as simple as that. Its fine that you tell others about your story, but why keep going back to the site to read forum threads and sign up under new aliases. Build a bridge and get over it. Move on. If you can’t do that under your own steam then I’m sure there are support groups or counselors that can help you, if you can tear yourself away from the computer long enough, and you’re not too scared to leave the house.”

You know what is interesting about this commenter? They say they have never heard of Hubpages yet here they are, showing how intimate they are with the comings and goings of people on Hubpages. Hmm…

And another thing, they postulate that those who left Hubpages of their own free will a) have no right to express their opinions here and b) read forum threads at Hubpages and c) have no business even signing up under a new alias. Duh. Hubpages allows them to sign up, so what do YOU care? Are you the Hubpages police? Can you spell C-O-N-T-R-O-L F-R-E-A-K? I thought you could…

For the record, since you seem to be keenly interested in what ex-hubbers are doing these days, some of us do not, in fact, read the forums at all, or your precious quotidian hubs, so get over yourself, m’kay?

Like all weak people, instead of formulating a thoughtful comment, you attack other people, not their comments, and make ignorant assumptions about them. I, on the other hand, know who you are so, yeah, you’re weak, and I speak from experience with you, trust me on that.

Run on back to Hubpages where you have a safe playing field, okeedokee? I’m sure Mommy will even give you a cookie!

I have heard about Hubpages. And rather than relying on what Hubpages says about Hubpages I did a simple Google search to find out what others are saying about Hubpages. Just as I did when I was figuring out how Associated Content worked, how Qassia worked, how Helium worked, how Ezinearticles worked, how Wis.dm worked, etcetera, etcetera. As for peoples comings and goings, all I’ve had to do is read all the entertaining blog comments on this page. Discovering that people have multiple accounts and surprise surprise, they get banned. there are not many sites / forums that allow that type of behavior as it allows for people to vote themselves up. (Dolt: what happened to my “I’m new” status? Reread what I said as I think you’ve missed something.)

One last word, if any of the Hubbers stocks me, I’ll get the appropriate authorities involved. That’s a promise.

Izno, you are the biggest joke of this thread and you keep responding when “supposedly” you haven’t joined hubpages yet. I think you are full of shit along with being the silly hypocrite you are. I have backed up all my points whiner, it is whining when you write and don’t have any justification of what you wrote. I find it entertaining that you claim to have no affiliation with hubpages, yet you have made it your goal in trying to agitate everyone that has disagreements with hubpages. Are you trying to suck up and get a segway just like mall cop maggie?

Also, why are you still here instead of writing hubs for pennies? Shouldn’t you be putting in work rather than arguing about a site you aren’t a member of?

Lol Ned. There was a bright open minded one every now and then on the sorry site, but veryyyyy rare. It is true, hubpages ghetto writing for crack pennies is a false sense of pride and hope. For pride and hope for someone to declare themselves a legit writer, it would be much more efficient to write a book or from their own blog or site I think.

No doubt this IzNoGouda is one of the ones that are frequently posting here under another name and throwing an A on the end is supposed to be funny? I must have missed the memo on what passes as humor. Or maybe its an in-joke. Either way its lost on me. Can’t say I’ve misspelled Napoleon anywhere. So NFI what IzNoGouda is on. Or what sex he is she is. Somehow though through the magic of the internet s/he has figured out my sex. Though you had a 50/50 chance of getting it right you got it all wrong. Congratulations IzNoGouda, you’re as clueless as NonLiteral who mistakes my opinion of the people who have posted for and against as some kind of plot and an argument in favor of Hubpages. If the ones that have posted in favor came across as idiots I would have said so. Just calling it as I see it. Lets look at the score shall we? WryLit has over 170 hubs and is doing well, meanwhile some other fool has a couple of accounts and most likely behaved over there as they have here and they’re surprised they got banned. Though not everyone who has spoken against Hubpages are colossal dumbasses. Just a vocal minority. Who are probably far fewer than they’re trying to take credit for. Please no one try and second guess anything I’ve just posted. Because there are some that are clearly incapable of doing so. Stop reading between the lines and actually pay attention to the words. You might learn something. It’s particularly helpful when reading the Terms Of Service of a site. Something I do with due diligence before signing up to any service so I know what I’m getting myself into. Try it some time. It’s called planning and preparation. Thinking before you say something also falls under the same category.

@ HubPages NonLiberal/Mr. Marine: Hey, thanks for the link. I may have to get an account one day, and join in on some of your discussions. Damn, I see that you’re still at it… Ha-ha!

And as for the SwankyPop personnage…it’s not “piblic opinion.” There is no such thing as “piblic opinion.” Maybe Dr.Pib became public with his opinion and it was so idiosyncratic, that people coined it “piblic?” I find it entertaining when hypocrites nit pick people’s grammar. Obviously, you’re under qualified for the self-appointed editorial position.

Plus, and this is a pet peeve of mine, I have no clue why people put punctuation marks outside the comma. That’s not standard MLA. Even the Canadians get it-http://www.uottawa.ca/academic/arts/writcent/hypergrammar/qmarks.html

Cosette, I would like to respond to your message. Don’t worry I did find it…..

“You seem to prefer the company of crack smokers and fake hypocrites. That’s fine, if that is how you want to roll.”

Cosette, there are almost 1 million members of hubpages and – as far as I am aware – only two that frequent hubpages have openly admitted to being one time users of Class A drugs. Unfortunately you are going to find drugs users and alchoholics in all walks of society. Whether that is Hubpages, the stock market, the church, sports teams.

“YOU are the one who knew better than anyone what was going on with me and you know what you did when you decided to friend the person slandering me nonstop.”

Are you referring to Cagsil or KimberlysLyrics here? Because I have always been very vocal about not being too fond of Cagsil, you can go and ask him yourself. When you first told me about the happenings in the forums I was just starting a FOUR MONTH FORUM BAN. I was not aware of your problems until AFTER my ban on 28th December 2009. Everything that had happened between you and those lot had already occurred by the time my forum privileges were reinstated in APRIL 2010. Neither did I communicate with either of during my ban, neither did I ‘befriend’ either of these individuals or communicate with them in any way. In fact, to the contrary, I rejected a facebook friends request from Kimberly even AFTER by ban. This is fabrication, you know what, I despised what those two were doing with the forum and yet was POWERLESS to get involved. I was banned end of December, this forum thread occured 7 months ago http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/35820

It is now the 10th month of 2010. Minus 7 months = March.

“And all I did was pull away from you, so what?”

Thats fine, thank you. I never intended to do the same to you. I guess that almost five months of exile will result in you finding out who exactly gives a shit. “So what” actually a little hurtful, I’m sorry that I was unable to back your corner in March 2010.

“one of those hubbers you now call “friend””

Who are you to decide or assume that I consider anybody my friend? Are you talking about Kimberly again? If you can find one quote in which I refer to her as my friend, one comment on any of her 11 hubpages from me (even the one in which she mentions me by name), find her on my Facebook friends list, or indeed find me on her facebook friends list, then I will eat my hat. I can count the number of hubbers that I have communicated with via email or on Facebook on my two sets of fingers. My Facebook friends list contains just 8 hubbers, I have rejected at least thirty more. These are Darkside, Mark Knowles, Sunforged, Misha, Emie Vil, Wayne Tully, Uninvited Writer, and agvulpes. I don’t know what ‘clic’ it was that you assume I was active in, but you are sure wrong.

“You all play the game, sucking up to people you don’t like for the sake of moving though your Hubpages experience because you are incapable of going it alone. You’re all so brave with the mob behind you.”

Pathetic. I don’t play any game, I make a living from my Hubpages. It feeds me, and right now it feeds my out of work girlfriend. How is that for ‘real life’.

“Well, whatever. At least I can respect myself. Can you say the same?”

Yes. I am proud of myself, and what I have achieved – and who I am as a person; an honest and hard working person. Give me one reason why I shouldn’t be?

Anyway, good luck with your life.

hey Ryan, what exactly are you trying to do here, hmm? plant seeds of doubt in TG’s head? i don’t recall emailing you about TG…as i recall we talked about your little pal LIG. but even if i did email you re: TG, he is well aware that at that point we were not buddies by any stretch of the imagination. nice try.

and don’t use my real name in public posts. i didn’t give you permission to do that and i don’t use my real name in public forums, ok?

as far as your FB friends, who cares? it’s obvious who you champion over there. what do you care what i think anyway?

run on back to Hubpages. i think i hear LIG calling you, throwing kisses, i might add.

(rolls eyes)

I’m not entirely happy with the inconsistency issues at HP and have considered packing up and leaving, but at the moment I am looking at it as growing pains.

As to the performance potential, I’m not sure yet. Right now, posting at HP does less for me than a similar post at my main site would, but I suspect that may not always remain true.

So, right now, I just do not know.. Time will tell.

Good general advice: stay out of the forums. No, I’m not smart enough to follow that advice, but it is good advice just the same

Leon, I had the exact same experience with hp the first time i set up an account. I wanted to build some backlinks to my website and thought hp was like a golden ticket. After a few months of being banned from hp, i swallowed my pride and just started a new account with a different id and a new angle. Works like a charm now and I get backlinks.

Comment #37 is the sanest one i’ve read so far. I don’t participate on the forums and no one there knows who I am. i read the forums occasionally to see some site news, but all in all, just use hp for the backlinks. F their weird, pedantic, self-righteous community.

If you ever want to try hp again Leon, do what i did, start out with 2 or 3 simple, non-commercial hubs, then ease into more hard selling “spammy” hubs. they apparently don’t like it if you get spammy all at once.

good luck to you in your online endeavors!

This is one time I’d have to take up for HubPages, as some folks squabble over meaningless shit like it is some sort of a God Damn dating site! Holy shit! HubPages is still, technically, a writing site that is geared to earn revenue from senseless, unqualified poppycock, so why is there all the personal affairs? Yes, the forums and all the “contact info” that is allowed to be available factors in; I’m just glad I was smart enough to not blast my identity all over the place, much like some folks regret from doing such things. I will say again, “Hubpages’ Forums Is What Sucks!!!”
People like “Ryankett” prove what I said before and that is: it takes time & effort, not talent, to be successful, no offense, dude. I bet he does make decent money, like many, but still not as much if he’d get off his cyber-geek ass; ha-ha! I can’t gripe about his efforts, though, as this man is definitely working, one way or another and his efforts to succeed are very obvious. Good luck to ya…

But for all the ones who claim to be this or that, and have complaints about their income from writing, you can go suck a big one (just stay away from mine – I got enough action at home base – ha!).

Geez, Cosette, like I hinted about before, just how many times do you eat your words? Pick a poison and go with it!
So, you’re back, huh? Who knows, I may get a stray hair up my ass one day and come greet all of ya in the forums or hubs, but I don’t see that happening anytime soon. Stupid is as stupid does, as Forest Gump once said. LOL!

One can readily argue BNR that you’ve buddied up with a person who’s making my life Hell, too. An infamous HP stalker, in fact. Trust me, there are droves of women he’s made miserable. I just hope he doesn’t turn on you… he will though.

But, it’s okay if you do that, right? But, no one else can befriend one you’ve deemed as your enemy without receiving this wrath. Can you say double standard?

I just skipped the article (1:33am here) and read ‘About the editor’.

Did you really delete all of your online content? What made you decide to do this? Was it valuable?

I have flirted with the idea of doing this in the future. Making a certain amount of money, saving a certain amount of money in the pension pot, saving enough to travel the world for a few months, then delete all of my content the day before setting off…. and potentially just ‘staying’ somewhere.

By the way, I am actually interested in your story. I wasn’t really being much of a dick though, the alternative was to take offence – would have been much more confrontational.

Well, to answer some of your questions, my main “money maker” at that time became illegal via U.S.A. law. So, I sort of took the money and deleted the rest of the non-related projects. Hmm, but all in all, it just consumed too much of my free time. I rather have more time for other things besides staring at a glowing contraption for the majority of the day, if that makes any sense to ya……

Hey, Wordscribe, i’ll keep this short since we don’t want to waste any more of your “valuable time” (rolls eyes)

i love how you come over here and attempt to whitewash everything your little pal did to me, and is still doing. i deleted my cosette account, which had over 1,000 followers and 250 hubs because i found her still slandering me on another site, and insulting me besides. and i never read her or communicated with her or talked about her to anyone. you know my experience had nothing to do with flagged hubs, so don’t even go there, ok? don’t make her out to be an innocent. and we made a pact, as i recall, that if one of us (whose friendship extended “beyond hubpages” as you said once upon a time) chose to end our connection, we would tell the other and not just leave them hanging. i expressed concern and sympathy over your son and the loss of your pet, and i didn’t pepper your inbox with emails because i knew you were going through a very tough time. i called you twice and left messages and got no call back. no email. nothing. and this was right after i wrote an honest, sentimental hub just for you, which i never do for anyone but which i did for you because i trusted you when you called me friend and believed in you.

why even bother, huh? you are playing whatever game you need to play to have some modicum of peace during your hubpages experience, which is your right. but do not post to me like we don’t know what went down over there, ok?

as far as TG goes, he’s never indicated any stalkerish behavior towards me. he is respectful and kind and honest, for the record. and he gave me a heartfelt apology with no qualifiers, which takes guts. you aren’t here to apologize to me – you’re only here to defend your online reputation, which is intact so don’t worry. no one cares what the evil cosette has to say (rolls eyes again).

here’s a thought – why don’tcha invite LIG to your house for tea? i’m sure your family would LOVE to meet her.

don’t bother replying – i have zero interest in anything you have to say.

@Meg

Sounds like you have a crushy poo on Ryan. Maybe if he dresses up like Chicken Little for Halloween the two of you can get jiggy.

That is what high maintenance women always say about blokes they think are puny. You go to the salon, get your blow out so you will look hot for the narcissistic pretty boys, but you always secretly wonder what it would be like to shag the nerdy tech guy next door. My friend used to think her nerdy supervisor who looked like a runt was disgusting, but then she discovered he was a stud in bed. Oh come on, we all know several of you on here want to get together to get it on, or you would not be barbing each other so .

I do not know exactly what Ryan looks like, but he writes like a sexy and mature Harry Potter. I would totally shag him, and I think guys who wear vintage outfits can be stylish. At least they are not slaves to the trend setters, who just laugh at those willing to pay a thousand dollars for one outfit in their line of fashions. But hey, if you want to prop up celebrities that use their names for fashion lines produced in third world sweat shops, continue to live in that very dark place. Ryan sounds like at least he can save on his shirts and look cute.

You dudes that are stalked and slaundered here should lap it up, it means some bore finds you interesting enough to follow around the web. It’s my ambition one day to attract a stalker but I am boring, my breath is minty though

Megs, I know that you fancy me really. Just for you, I have changed my profile pic on Hubpages Don’t worry, one you have finished rubbing yourself – I will change it again for you. Just to clarify, here is some info to help you along:

Fred Perry Cardigan ($112.50)
Levi 506 standards ($112.50)
Ray Ban Specs ($285.00)
Red Fred Perry Pumps ($60.00)
Haircut ($20.00)
Plain White Tee ($12.00) (sorry, does that offend? too cheap?)
Calvin Klein’s ($21.00)
Socks ($1.50 – from the supermarket)
Bottle of Magners ($3.00)

The fact that I could buy all of this twice over with my September AdSense earnings on Hubpages = PRICELESS

Like I said, jealousy is ugly. Now, why not post a pic? let me judge you?

ps. I find it somewhat amusing that at 13 stone for somebody who is 5ft 10in I am considered ‘puny’, seeing as I have a BMI of 27. Perhaps what you really meant was “puny compared to me” – that would make far more sense

Don’t worry though Megs/Anon, low self-esteem doesn’t have to be a lifetime problem. Some people can face up to their own insecurities and move on, I have faith in you. You can do it, I believe. Now repeat after me “I will not resort to petty insults to make myself feel better, I will not resort to petty insults to make myself feel better, I will not resort to petty insults to make myself feel better”.

Love you x

I am not going to come back to this thread by the way, but enjoy talking about me; I have money to make

Anybody who stumbles across this site looking for information on Hubpages as a site – please note that most of us are great people and it really is a fantastic community.

You can join quickly and easily here…. http://hubpages.com/_visithub1/help/landing_e2

@Perpendicularity – The point about paying for that stuff through Hubpages was made purely because this entire thread is about how much Hubpages ‘sucks’, many of the ex-hubbers on this page are disgruntled because they failed to make it work for them financially. Hubpages is of course not my only income source, and I too do have a social life away from the web!

I am in the UK by the way, a good pair of jeans is always going to cost you at least $75 here. Trust me, I enjoyed nothing greather than filling up suitcases full of clothes on my various trips to the USA! Especially when the exchange rate was $2 to every £1. The exchange rate is now $1.50 for every £1 (yes, Americans can actually afford to visit us now!). So a couple of years ago, those jeans would have cost me $150 in your money.

Hubpages is not my only source of income, in fact until very recently I was working full time in an office. I wasn’t comparing my hubpages earnings with that of a butcher, or a baker, or a candlestick maker. My point was solely that YOU CAN earn money from hubpages. If I make $2000 this month on Hubpages, a RESIDUAL income by the way (in other words I am making money for work that I have already done), it wont be my only source of income. In fact, I expect all of my hubpages money to be invested in pensions within a few months. I already invest about 20% of it, in my “pension of plainness”

I do pity those that judge others, on the clothes that they wear, their appearance, their money, or anything about them really. The truth is that you don’t have a clue. I didn’t buy any clothes whatsoever for the last 2 years of my education, up to summer 2009, seeing as my student loan was just about enough to cover food and rent.

What else would offend you? I just spent $1250 on a pug puppy, does that offend you? I bought that with part of an inheritance, does that offend you? You don’t take your money with you when you die mate, as proven by the money left to me. If you want something then buy it, somebody has to pay the wages of those working in retail don’t they? Just like you? You know, the customers that you served? Who spent money? On things in your shop? Money which then paid your wages? I suppose that they should have been shoving that in their pension of plainess instead? All of it? So that you couldn’t have a job? Its somewhat amusing that you mention pensions by the way, seeing as one of my hubpages (you know, those things that pay for my levi jeans) is called ‘How Much Should I Save For My Retirement’

http://hubpages.com/hub/How-Much-Should-I-Save-For-Retirement

Goodnight x

Offend me? Are you on drugs or suffering from anxiety?
Anyway, you previously said, before I made my comment, “I am not going to come back to this thread by the way, but enjoy talking about me; I have money to make ”

Checkmate; you lose. Ha-ha! I knew ya would, which fueled my intention of beckoning your regurgitation of such claims, because it was just too available not to take!

By the way, you eat your words in more than that particular way… Several comments ago, you spoke about HubPages being your only income, after leaving your offline job, dumb ass! Ha-ha!
You say, “You can make money with HubPages.” No shit! I never said you couldn’t! By the way, unless you are making several thousand dollars a week with AdSense, you are not a haven of wealth. So please spare us all the damn glory of your click-through-ratio of asininity! It ain’t that damn great, even if you’re making mega click-through rates. In fact, your pages probably suck so bad that the user is simply just trying to get off your retarded page of nonsense, clicking on every damn option possible (there is some truth to that). LOL!

I’m not judging in a perspective that you are thinking about, but I do hope that you find the material things that you glorify to be ever-so comforting in your surreal sunset of suckness… Cheers now!

We can all cut and paste and twist, I actually said:

“I make a living from my Hubpages”.

I did not say:

“Hubpages is my sole income”.

Granted, I replied, you ‘win’ in your own little strange way. If you want a bit of a lowdown on this thread and the people in it then feel free to read this thread:

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/55676

Now, are you telling me that you would never buy Levi jeans? What jeans would you buy then? What brand? I will tell you how much they cost in the UK, and then you can decide whether or not I really am shallow to spend $112.50 on jeans. The UK is expensive mate, simple as.