Pedantic Hubpages!
Hubpages is an online publishing system where you can create a ‘Hub’ of information and add articles about what ever you know about and are into. I joined to write articles and tips on web design.
On signup, I filled in my profile, added links to my site so people could see who I was and trust my opinion and advice and published my hub. Not long after I got an email saying my hub was flagged for being overly promotional!
I went back and removed some of the links and wrote some interesting (or so I thought!) articles on SEO and promptly got another email back saying my hub was flagged for being ‘Substandard’! Told them to delete my account and get lost.
One of the rudest and most useless web companies I’ve come across and I’ve been around!
Leon.
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Hi Leon:
I’m Maddie Ruud, the Community Manager over at HubPages. I’m sorry you had a negative experience with us. I am always willing to clarify issues of policy, or help point newbies in the right direction, when they express a desire to understand and comply with our rules. I understand your frustration at being flagged right off the bat, but if you had asked for clarification or help (as opposed to simply cancelling your account) I’m sure we could have gotten it sorted out in short order.
Feel free to shoot me an email if you’d like some help getting set up again. I’m sure, once you’re clear on the rules, that you’d have a better experience second time ’round.
Regards,
Maddie Ruud
Community Manager, HubPages.com
Sorry Maddie, my account was flagged twice and I thought I complied the first time by removing most of my links and writing some interesting (or so I thought!) content but then I was told what I wrote was “sub-standard” and I was flagged again.
I had enough insults at that stage and asked for my account to be canceled and it was, almost immediately. I wasn’t offered any resolution or asked why I wanted to cancel.
Basically I wasted too much time on your system and people need to be allowed to get going and find their way without being flagged, censored and without having to read a pile of rules.
Its not for me but others can make up their own minds.
Yup, agreed. I have a hub. It took me quite some time to build it as I kept on getting messages saying it was substandard, incomplete, inappropriate, promotional, etc.
Eventually, I got it published and I was happy about it but shortly I received an email saying that all my links were changed to NOFOLLOW. Fine, I understand that but I was hoping to get some backlinks, ya know
Best Regards,
Antonie
I guess it was a promotional hub anyways
Totally agree with you Leon.
Hubpages are a bunch of wankers. Warning, Don’t waste your time with them.
I spent hours writing content and it got flagged and pulled pretty much straight away!
You’re allowed as much freedom as a Jew in a Nazi concentration camp!
Maddie Ruud can suck it!!
Totally agree. Hubpages sucks totally. They want all this free content from authors so they can illicit advertising dollars, but don’t want to offer anything in return. I got flagged again ( for the last time) for publishing a hub on their site that I’d previously published on another. They demand the content exclusively.
Dear Hubpages,
If you want exclusive content, you have to pay for it. You don’t get to demand that kind of privilege with free stuff. Get real.
P.S. By the way, is it FREEEEE to advertise on your stupid site?
To start off Leon, Maddie Rudd is linking to HubPages though his comment. I strongly agree with everything that is being said here and don’t think they deserve a backlink from your site.
Anyway, HubPages are a bunch of Nazi’s. I have posted on several sites and use quite a few different blog type sites to promote various things. In my 3 years of marketing I have never dealt with such a strict site.
Two times now I wrote something up. One time it was basically solid promotion for an affiliate program, mind you I was not trying to get anybody to buy anything. Just educating people on what an affiliate program has to offer.
Within two hours I was ranked #4 for my target keywords. Two hours after that I was flagged and removed. The hub only had one link on the page in 2 different places.
A couple of days before that I posted an article for a different niche. The first place I posted it was on HubPages. This time it was an article mind you. Just solid info about why people need to start cutting back on their grocery bills and why it is the biggest bill for the majority of people. There was one link at the bottom to a set of ebooks I wrote and am selling. No affiliate links or anything just a strait link to my site.
Within just a couple of hours they pulled that one down to.
Hubpages might be good for the occasional blogger or somebody that wants to just write on only one spot. But don’t bother wasting your time with them if you are looking to advertise, mass educate people, or link to a site for that matter.
Once again Hubpages sucks! More than any other social site I have ever used.
Good point, I’ve removed their backlink.
Yeah what the deal with those hubpage ass wipes, i’ve been trying for hour to publish a page . how the hell does anyone get anything published there !
Hubpages not even worth the time nor the effort. For SEO purposes is worthless, and for money making is a scam.
Hubpages banned me, they say because I not only breached their T.O.S, but apparently I also was unkind, when I posted a similiar Blog to Squidoo.
Darkside, who is a total Moron, and a couple of sads,complained.
Today i still use Hubpages and havequite a few, and I mean quite a few, lol alter gos, which funnily enough are not banned.
Lita Sorenson was a fav. of mine, so Hi Lita, More power to you
Kia Kaha
I just want to add oe thing I hate Nellie Bloody Hoxie, what a total plonker. Check out her reviews, shes the Hubpager Crawler. Oh and UW causes a bit of a stir, back stabbing old cow.
Well, this is the first blog I’ve come acros after being permanently banned from Hubpages after a troll continued to harass me there for 10 months. I complained numerous times, only to find myself banned with the troll when I tried to defend myself or get rid of it.
I highly recommend anyone with an eye towards professional writing or business do NOT join Hubpages. The only thing you will ultimately gain is a headache from all the childish games–from both management and some of the denizens (trolls) they allow onto the site that call themselves writers. The site and its outlook is in serious decline.
Folks, disregard the previous remarks. The person who left them was banned from Hubpages for being an arrogant bitch with no self control. Hubpages is an excellent site with many fine writers and good people. Don’t let one bitter old sow put you off a wonderful site.
Hey, good job! This site, at this present time, ranks #4 on MSN for the terms ‘Hubpages suck’…so, I landed here.
I do have a question for anybody here:
Is there any other article-submit sites like Hubpages, that are actually worth the effort?
Tksensei, who left comment #10 here, happens to be the internet troll following me even now. Who, incidentally, has been reborn on Hubpages under a variety of sockpuppets, alter egos, etc. on the site, because there is absolutely no true moderation on that site. So he is back on the site attacking others. I, however, will never go back there. It is beyond unprofessional. My point is proven.
Appreciate you e-mail notifications of new comments, Leon. Hope you will delete further Tksensei comments, because this will go on.
I wasted almost two years there. The site is poorly run, the ‘rules’ are inconsistently applied, and the longer you write there the greater the chance you will be harassed by the resident trolls Lita mentions.
What’s worse though, is the deceptive way the site is currently advertised. Make money on Hub Pages! Please. Maybe one in one hundred writers will make a dime there, and they will work very hard indeed for that dime and Hub Pages will take a nickel of it. If you want to work for nothing and be treated as if you work in cubicle at a big corporation, by all means set up and account a Hub Pages.
If you want to write to make money, steer clear of HP and revenue sharing sites in general and face the fact that writing for money is very hard to do and few people succeed. If you want to write because you love to write, write for print media or start your own web community or blog of like minded others.
The spoiled children who run Hub Pages will eventually make your life a living hell if you take your writing seriously, and you will feel like an idiot for ever falling for their stupid hype.
I think that in comparison to other online publishing venues Hubpages is the best available from the choices out there. They don’t want the kind of shite many post on Ezine, Xomba or eHow just for some backlinks and a bit of traffic.
HubPages is certainly not perfect but I have yet to find anything that is. It’s a good place to earn if you want to write for search engine traffic. If you don’t that’s cool – it doesn’t matter. At the end of the day you can write about anything you want, and for many people it gives them the confidence to fulfill their dreams in other publishing venues.
For me, and my aims I’m writing there aiming for a residual income of around $1000 a month – this will pay my bills and allow me to write a novel. This is my dream and HP will help me achieve it.
Gee, you peeps sure are bitter. Guess you couldn’t figure out how to make money so you’re blaming the site instead of admitting you’re stupid, eh? Interesting. Haven’t seen any of your names submitted for Peobody Awards or the Nobel Prize in Lit. Aren’t you all great writers? No? Could it be that YOU peeps suck and HubPages is fine as long as you’re not a whiney bitch or a dufus who can’t follow simple rules? Glad to see you’re all happy and cheerful since you left. Did I mention the air’s fresher and cleaner now that you losers took a hike? Thanks for leaving!
Just thought I should give Hubpages a bit of credit in the midst of a lot of negative comments here.
I currently make over $1000 a month easily on Hubpages every month after only 9 months of writing Hubs (Although I did join 2 years ago, my hubs are all recent).
The Hubpages team usually get back to people pretty quickly when they need help, and the forum community is always on hand.
The spoiled children who run Hubpages are mostly the spoiled children who helped create Google, which is why Hubpages and Yieldbuild are both very good quality products in both SEO and Advert optimization.
I have never, in all my years in the business, found an easier way of making money than on Hubpages, and your tirade which has only come about because either you instantly tried to take advantage of the system, or took a shortcut such as duplicating content, is in my eyes unfounded.
I have found Hubpages a great SEO tool, and a money making opportunity, and from the feel of these comments people are angry because they failed to cheat the system and get some easy links out of it.
Pam, from what I read out of your Hubs and Forum posts, and what other people have said, you have little ability to comment on the commercial side of Hubpages because you refused to write commercially driven Hubs, on top of that you became upset that other people took Hubpages as a commercial enterprise.
If you follow the rules Hubpages is a fantastic website to use for both Backlinks, traffic, and affiliate marketing. If you fail to follow the rules, which are more democratic than nazi, you will find your hubs unpublished to protect the rest of the Hubbers.
I would also like to point out that forum participation is by no means a prerequisite of writing Hubs, you do not need to be involved in the Hubpages community to become successful, although I have made a couple of good friends on there. A lot of people on this post, and others, have made a personal vendetta against Hubpages after getting in to arguments on the forum, or being banned after making repeated personal attacks on the forums. If you felt yourself being drawn in to that kind of argument it is your own responsibility to reasonably counter the argument, or ignore it completely.
Leon,
In my view I think you have given Hubpages an unfair review, that is your own choice and your perogative. If you are interested though I definately believe you should give it another chance, starting off with some Hubs which are set within the guidelines, you should be surprised at how quickly you can grow traffic on hubpages, and earn the top ranking spots. I personally hold first page positons above many major retailers on some high earning product keywords, and there are plenty more who do the same.
The rules are in place to keep articles high quality and low spam, which increases the back link quality for the rest of the community who abide by the rules.
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/35949
Another reason you do not want to join Hubpages (this was sent to me by a friend). And it proves the point over and over: Unprofessional, clubby, and childish. If you run into any sort of problem there, this could be your name and reputation bandied about on the site. I urge everyone to read it and understand what Pam and I, former HP members and professional writers, are talking about when we criticize Hubpages on this blog.
This is unbelievable.
I payed a lot of attention to Pam and enjoyed every word she said. Pam was probably in the top 10 for most liked on Hubpages.
I would say in the top 5 for talent of writing.
I really am not sure what to say other than I have no reason to put Hubpages down.
I have had nothing but good experiences over there. yes I make money as a result of Hubpages.
I am still in awe at what I am reading here.
Hubpages is a commumity in its own and I guess people are entitled to their opinion but in all honesty I dont think people are being fair.
In all my accounts I have never had a single hub flagged or anything like that.
I guess this is just a bunch of jibberish but in all likely hood it will probably never see the light of day anyways.
All these glowing comments about Hubpages must be coming from Hubpages staffers, surely.
There’s certainly some brazen, tough talk on here by pro-Hubpages fans hiding behind the safety of their little keyboards and computers. Wonder if the talk would be so tough person to person, in the real world instead of cybergeek world. All you cybergeeks talk it up online, but if anyone saw you out in the street I bet you wouldn’t dare say boo to them!
People are griping about Hubpages because basically the site sucks and is run by childish college kids on a cyber power trip.
Do you know why my hubs got flagged and I ended up cancelling my account?
Because Hubpages expected me to provide them with exclusive content, yet they didn’t want to pay me for that privilege. They wouldn’t even allow me to link to my website at the end of my articles.
So I ask you cybergeeks: What was the point in me submitting articles to Hubpages so they could rake in advertising revenue from Google and other affiliates, when I received absolutely nothing in return?
If that makes me a LOSER, as someone Hubpages suck termed some of us, then I’d rather be a loser in your eyes, retain my self-respect, and save my valuable writing and contributions for sites that appreciate my input.
Hubpages is a joke. That’s why everyone is canning them!
I have found hubpages to be an excellent site both for showcasing my writings and for the wonderful community of writers there. With regards to making money there, that I have not been any good at doing so, is due to my ignorance of SEO and how to arrange the modules in my hubs so that they are optimised as potential earners. I am learning how to do this with the the help of tips from fellow hubbers.
When things go wrong on the site there is always an explanation posted in the forums and problems are always resolved. I recommend hubpages to the extent that I have just set up a second page entitled Tenerife Islander there to focus on Tenerife articles.
Darren, Reason you call hubpages as joke is simple, you didn’t understand the revenue sharing procedure to begin with. Also you’re not interested in posting original content. You thought that place as article directory to post your spun/scraper article and get backlink,am i right ? These days there is trend of wanna-be Internet marketers to do something like that. Drop backlinks and some plastered spun article content and expect some tolerance from others to keep that crap alive. And that way one should retain self respect and spit venom against others ? Bravo.If you’ve enough content in your writing then i doubt you’ll waste spitting venom against any content community not just hubpages. For people like you, today you got hubpages to cry for,tomorrow there will be some another one. When money and skill talks,that person rarely spit venom like this and starts blame game on others. And to clear things up i’m not into hubpages staff, moreover i’ve worst experience with content communities like helium, today, xomba etc. I don’t spit venom against them cause of the experience i’ve got and if i’ve to criticize someone i can do that offline as well so stop assuming that people can’t talk or sort things offline. Mr. Geek ?
You all bicker back and forth. Saying that Hubpages is rubbish, and ran by children. Take a look at yourselves a moment.
You say you detest all the B.S. that can happen in the forums, and Yet Here you are.
Such hypocrisy from some truly amazing Former Hubbers.
I’m glad you left before I truly got to know you all. Because, to be quite honest, You are the type that give online forums a bad name.
Badly done.. Just, Badly done.
Long Live Hubpages.
I like the way you can say all that Darren, while hiding behind your own keyboard, no one is ‘hiding’ anything. What an idiot. Also, Hubpages was created, and is run, by the same people that brought you google, kind of experienced college kids when it comes to the internet. YOur account got cancelled for posting dupicate content, which may or may not have been your own, that would have lowered that value of Hubpages for everone, and would have got your hubs banished to the google basement of duplicate content.
I am not Hubpages staff, but I think it is important to point out that hubpages does not pay you money, Adsense, Amazon, and eBay all pay you money. If you cannot make money online with hubpages, with all the ranking boosts it provides, then the problem is with you and your marketing/SEO skills, not Hubpages!
Lita, you talk about clubby and childish, but you were once quite prominant in that very same ‘club’ Hubpages is not a forum, it is a site where you can publish items online, with a forum attached. You did not have to participate in the forums if they were annoying you.
You have claimed all over the internet that you were banned because of a troll that was harrasing you, but lets face it, how come you were banned and not the troll?
Darren: “Because Hubpages expected me to provide them with exclusive content, yet they didn’t want to pay me for that privilege. They wouldn’t even allow me to link to my website at the end of my articles.”
You can link to your own website from your Hub Pages profile page.
As for the “exclusive content” part, well – you have the freedom to take down that content and either sell it or put it up on one of your own sites/blogs. At least HP lets you remove your own content, unlike some sites I’ve come across.
I’ve been an HP member for 6 months. I’ve been learning about SEO/affiliate marketing during this period (I was completely new to the subject when I started on HP) and haven’t made much money, but at last my traffic is starting to increase and with it, my earnings. In any case, I don’t just view HP as a place to earn money directly – I view it as a site where I can “park” my writing and use it as a portfolio when applying for other work.
Hi Oli,
I won’t hide behind anything. Who are you calling an idiot. Giveme your address you pussy and I’ll come around and you can say that to my face. Bet you wouldn’t have the balls.
You definitely work for Hubpages, but you’re just too much of a pussy faggot to admit it. Otherwise, how would you know anything about my account, who I am, or why my articles got flagged?? Who’s the idiot now!
Your attitude, and that of the other pro Hubpages drones commenting on here, just proves what a pathetic and worthless site it is, with no ability at customer service or client relations.
For your information I wasn’t even trying to make money on Hubpages. Just simply submitting free content in order to offer information and have backlinks to my sites. I never had duplicate content on Hubpages, but I did publish the same articles on other ezine and article sites, which is certainly my perogative.
And you can’t tell me you Hubpages people aren’t pussies hiding in cyberspace. I speak my mind in person if I think something isn’t right, and I’d certainly speak my mind to any of you people on here face to face. Unfortunately you probably all live in the US.
Seriously?
I have two blogger blogs and one wordpress blog, those three combined do not achieve even 20% of the traffic I am getting from hubpages.
I wrote my first hubpage 8 months ago, I now have 253, I achieve something in the region of 8000 page views per day! If i trebled my hubpages income in the next 16 months, I could live from the revenue!
I was honest about my opinions regarding Pam Grundy when she left and many hubbers fell out with me because of it. In fact, that episode got me banned for life from the forums. She simply was not willing to take some simple advice regarding SEO and Keywords. If she failed it was her own fault.
Ryan Kett.
Well I definitely don’t work for hubpages as I don’t even live in the US and have never been approached to work for Hubpages. I have however been writing on the site for about 2 years now, and I have made money through Adsense, have never had a hub unpublished and the duplciate content flag actually helped me to discover that my hub had been copied and published by someone else, so I was then in a position to complain and get the offending copy taken down, and get an exemption for my own hub being flagged as duplicate. Without this flag I would never have known my hub had been copied.
I am now on my way to my 4th payout since I started writing on hubpages, so although I don’t claim to make a living from it, I do make money and so can others.
Personally I love Hubpages, and I have no reason to knock it other than for some of the people who stir up trouble in the forums. As far as writing goes it is easy to use and the rules in general are fair I feel.
Just my own opinions.
Who’s the idiot now!
Still YOU Darren, nobodies buying your hard man act. PMSL
Also Darren, hubpages is a revenue sharing program, split 60/40 in your favour, you can earn a lot of money from Hubpages.
Darren,Leon, e cig aff guy
What Oli, who is not a staff member has correctly pointed out is easily gleaned from your initial post. In some way you attempted to post the same content at two different places on the web..it seems you just stated ezine was the other location.
As an impression sharing site their would be no reason to pay you for content. Do you somehow not understand this model? Its very common.
From what you have written here in comments and your general inability to comprehend how one would make money on hubpages I truly doubt your SEO articles had much bearing and quality. really, you think hubpages.com needed a backlink from this site? get real
Do I personally give a fuck about Hubpages staff and admin? No, they merely provide a service I utilize, since I submit only original content I have never bumped heads with them.
Do I like the hubpages community, yes, I think a lot of these comments show a mix up between the social and commercial aspects of the site. Lita I think TK is a dumb cocksucker also, I once pointed this out to him as h liked to write about killing squirrels…what a tool, but I would never let that interfere with my money
Lita and Pam didnt seem to conquer the skills required to self publish for income, they are both competent and at least in Pams case very enjoyable to read.
But commercial writing has little to nothing to do with how enjoyable the writing is and thats just something they cant seem to come to terms with…as a result they will always be working for someone else, wont they?
An intelligent marketer can easily use this platform as part of a larger network and make an income…but less than 5% of those who try succeed in creating a livable online income generation suceed, so there will always be a lot of dissenters
Email me and I will send you my address, I have no problem handling myself. I currently live in England, so maybe it will be okay for you to come round to my house and argue your point face to face?
I dont work for Hubpages, I even have my profile linked to my name, I am not hiding behind anything, you on the otherhand jsut have an anonymous name on here.
All I have said about you on here I have learnt from what you posted, which talked about how you duplicated content. Which as you just mentioned as publishing elsewhere, is duplicate content. I can advise you now that you are shooting yourself in the foot by posting the same content in several places, since all your work is being relegated by Google.
As for the drones comment, I would suspect the drones are those who are unable to make money on Hubpages, plenty of people are earning increasing amounts with this service every month.
I initially started with Hubpages for backlinks, I kept the links low, the quality good, and i haven’t been flagged overly promotional. After earning increasing amounts however, I have now shifted the main focus of my workload on to Hubpages.
you know…i almost left Hubpages a few days ago because of forum issues…but HP very kindly and graciously handled the matter and didn’t delete my account until i was sure i wanted to go. and i am glad they did. they have always, always been very fair and prompt with addressing problems people have, and extremely helpful. but if i HAD left, i would move on and forgotten about them, and i would not have written about them, especially in this manner. why not just let it go? “pedantic”? it vexes me to see you and Lita paint all of uswith the same brush. like Lita, i AM a professional writer and editor, but so what? there are a lot of amazing writers there. writers who don’t do it for a living. but they are still writers in my book. i have always been supportive of Lita and certainly never had a problem with Pam. when you publish a hub and i is too short or for whatever reason. the “substandard” message does pop up, but it is automatic. no one on the HP stafff is singiling you out personally. i love HP and i have made my first Adsense payout and am more than halfway towards my second one and have only been writing for 6 months. the forst month i was there i didn’t write anything, but i began writing after investigating Hubpages online and finding positive comments about themm. you are just trying to tear them down, which is really uncool. you left freely Pam so why rag on them? and Lita, you are keeing your problems with your “troll” alive by posting this. if you would just let it go and move on he or she wouldn’t have followed you here and posted that. anyway i have only positive wonderful things to say about Hubpages. i just love them.
For all those people who are against Hubpages here, I have officially thrown down the gauntlet, I have created the following hub,
http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Hubpages-Sucks-Page
It is based on the keywords Hubpages Sucks, and I have managed to do this while stiill promoting Hubpages. Over the next couple of weeks I will do a little mid level marketing to get this up top in Google, and I wonder if anyone can knock it off that keyword spot with a non-hubpages website?
I’ve been with Hubpages (on and off) for 3 years. Recently, I had a hub flagged as a dupe. I wrote to Maddie 2 weeks ago about it and have yet to receive a reply. My fear is that Hubpages has grown to a point where they’re unable (or unwilling) to serve the individual. Other than that, I have no real beef with them. I love both Pam and Lita very much. And no matter what you think about HP (love them or hate them) they do have some valid points. Hang tough, ladies!
I had hubpages until recently, yesterday infact, and I would like to state that the people on hubpages are some of the nicest I have ever had the pleasure of knowing.
The only reason I left was because I felt it was time I sent time developing myself further, in a way the hub couldn’t help.
I think the site is a fantastic idea and one which I hope will continue for several years yet. The advice I got off fellow hubbers has proven essential for the production of my own work.
Long live Hubpages.
L. Andrew Marr
Yeah, everyone is right Hubpages does suck. On my very best days Ive barely cleared 100 a day, usually I only get like 200 a week! I wrote 75 hubs already! It looks like only like 75% of my hubs ever make any money.
Ive been writing there a whole year already if I dont start making money soon Im going to quit and take all my content down so they dont earn a thing!
Ryan Kett is a tool of the highest order but he is also spot on as far as Pam Grundy is concerned! Lita Sorenson who claims to have written books on such things as racism has in fact only written a pamphlet, sucks to be her! TKsensei is a humorous character and describes Lita to a T.
Darren, your a scary dude, why don’t you leave your address with me and you can experience the worst day of your life! Bet you wont!
And I don’t give one shit about Hubpages!
I’ve been on HubPages for two years and I’m amazed at some of these comments.
The complainants here fall into three categories. The first is the crowd who want to use HubPages to promote their other websites. I use HubPages for that purpose very successfully (and make money on my articles at the same time) – it’s just a case of understanding the restrictions. Yes, the restrictions can be irritating, but they’re valuable in preventing spammers over-running the site and thereby maintaining its excellent rep with Google, so it’s stupid to fight them.
The other category is the crowd who got into arguments in the forums, like Lita. HubPages is a place to write Hubs – participation in the forums is entirely optional. If you choose to join in, respond to trolls and get yourself banned, that’s a personal choice.
The final category, which I confess I don’t understand, is the group of writers who seem to think it should be possible to write for the sake of the art, and still earn money. Pam Grundy is a good example – she’s a wonderful writer who never earned much on HubPages because she refused to “cave in” and make her writing more commercial. Pam writes freelance too, but I bet she doesn’t expect her clients to accept articles on whatever she feels like writing. All writers – journalists, novelists, freelancers – have to tailor their writing to suit their employer’s or readers’ appetites to some extent if they want to get paid. That’s life.
Have to echo Rockin’ Joe – I love Pam and Lita to bits. Some of the vitriol directed towards them is a little disappointing – their comments were not a personal attack on you, I Heart Hubpages. Call off the dogs – that was just spiteful. I particularly love that way that you did not have the balls to use your HP handle.
The adverts are a little misleading, although that is a problem with the murky world of advertising in general, rather than just Hubpages. The fact that only 5% of Hubpages marketers make decent income would appear to back that up – the adverts get people’s hopes up, especially in tough economic times.
We had a similar problem on one of the freelance sites – it tempted people in, but did not explain that freelance writing for a living is bloody tough. People put a lot of time and effort into making a go of it, only to have their hopes dashed.
Personally, I was never really that interested in the marketing/SEO side, but I have attracted some good clients through Hubpages, so I am pretty happy with that. I let the marketers do their thing, I do mine, and everybody is happy. It’s not just about SEO and Adsense – it can be a good place to market yourself and store a portfolio.
Interesting I posted last night and you had refused to post the first comment or maybe you were a little upset because I posted a link to our forum. I honestly do not know what happened with Lita, I am a little shocked that PGrundy had posted what she stated but all are entitled to there opinions.
Many of us make money on hubpages and there are so many hubbers who have actually written ways to SEO. It isn’t hubpages that you should be angry at they are only abiding by rules that have been set forth by Google. You can make money with Google Adsense you simply have to learn how to SEO, choose keywords and respect Googles Tos and you will do well. If you are a new hubber there are so many that will assist you and there is also the help button in the upper right hand corner that gives you guidance. I have been with hubpages for nearly 3 years and have always had a positive experience with them. I am not a staff member however just like many I write on hubpages, have I ever gotten upset? Who hasn’t but I had to take a look at myself and correct what I was doing and personally redirect myself so that I would not get caught up in the hoopla. Here are a few questions to ask yourself, ” Did I do all that I could to correct any issues that I had?” ” Did I SEO as effectively as I could?” I have written on Squidoo, Helium etc. this is the only site that I have found that is a community full of writers who are able to assist, the format is very simple, the team interracts with the community, it is also a place where many honestly make new friends and of course money if you wish too.
I have talked to many hubbers on the phone where else on the internet could you do that? With any site there will be those who are upset I have gotten upset myself but instead of being the problem we should always find solutions.
Leon I do not know what happened to you or who you were on hubpages but I am certain that if you would have asked, you would have recieved many of us would have reached out to assist you.
I would also recommend that you post all of the comments that have been written based on the e-mail I have recieved regarding comments, a great writer allows all to express there thoughts and opinions even if they are positive or negative.
Everyone who commented on Lita and Pam and told them they do not cave into commericial writing, well they did not want to do that. I do not really do that myself, and always find the SEO and money making talk to be a bit of a rat race. I still admire books and yes online writing has its place, but books always come out on top. That is all I have to say about that, and really some of you neeed to give up the us vs. them mentality. Yay, I know some people love to put others down and play junior high on the net, and their comments towards Pam and Lita demonstrate that.
I won’t hide behind anonymous troll pseudonyms like some have done before my comment. I’d like to leave my brief experiences with Hubpages here, on the side of reassuring and encouraging people to keep it up.
I have been a Hubpages site member for 2 years, roughly. Rockin’ Joe was one of my first fans. Maybe even my first, I can’t quite remember. Anyway, since joining I’ve made enough from Adsense to pay a utility bill pretty every month since my 9th month on the site. I write for my own devices, and make amateur use of keywords and tagging to “lure” in traffic. I write about topics I like. I stay out of the forums because of the drama queens and trolls.
In 2009 I made enough from Adsense to pay a month’s worth of bills. I published a whopping 27 Hubs in 2009. Not much work done, but a month’s worth of bill money earned from just one income source. That doesn’t even count affiliate sales, and yes, I have two Hubs that rank very high in their applicable terms and are solely promoting a product, but I also follow all the rules regarding promotional material. So – it CAN be done.
Just to set the record straight, I never once wrote about killing squirrels.
It seems Kindergarten Cop may need to stay in kindergarten and work on those reading skills from the beginning. Maybe he can study together with Superhardguydarren.
And let me reiterate that Hubpages is a great site.
I have been a member of HubPages for close to 9 months now and find all this bickering disturbing, to say the least. Marisa and SweetiePie I wish to echo to some extent: HP has varying places in which to voice opinions. The forums can indeed be toxic-yet one always has the choice whether or not to participate. In fact, simply reading them can be fairly amusing and revealing.
My earnings with AdSense are meager, yet I write without expectation of huge financial gain.
Lastly, I have written to the HP staff on occasion and have always received a timely response.
What ever happened to the paper media? If one wanted to actually publish, one had to do this the old fashioned way-beginning with only one’s own thoughts-without argument.
The people speaking about Pam and Lita with expertise really need to give it up. Only Pam and Lita know what they experienced, and this pack mentality to gang up on someone on the net just because you are jealous of their writing talent is a bit childish to say the least.
i just wanted to say to “Thatguy”…RyanKett is not a tool. also, if i find fault with the two former Hubpagians’ comments, it is not out of jealousy. hee hee everyone always says that when people disagree with them. it also doesn’t mean i am attacking them personally. i thought Lita was a good writer. i never read Pam too much so i can’t say. if they see commercial writing as “caving in” and “selling out”, why not write at writers’ forums like everything2.com? they got some heavy duty, world class writers over there. Hubpages is about making money, duh. calling those of us who choose to write at Hubpages a bunch of no-talent hacks, or typists, or pedants, is really UNcool.
For the record Pam and Lita never called anyone untalented, period. I cannot speak for them, but what I can say is it seems a few on here are personalizing comments they made about Hubpages. Also, I believe the whole us vs. them mentality is being perpetuated by focusing on their comments if you are that upset about their opinions regarding Hubpages. As I have pointed out numerous times these are only their opinions, and I think people could cool it down a notch. Also, I believe people tend to be a little fickle too, and quickly turn on people when they are not saying exactly what they want to hear every five seconds. Also, if you came to this site looking for someone to love Hubpages, well it is obvious the writer of this blog does not, and hence will attract posters that are not in love with the website either. I will stand by my point that I do think a great deal of the criticism being launched towards Pam and Lita is about jealousy, even if some people say they are not.
hey there. one thing you should know about me is there is no “us”. i don’t join clubs and whatnot. “pack mentality” implies some sort of conspiratorial strategy. there are just different people expressing their opinions. also, if you read my hubs, you would see that i have no reason to be “jealous” of another writer. unless you are referring to someone else at Hubpages. as i stated, Lita is a good writer. so am i. i haven’t read your hubs so i can’t comment on your writing skills. i don’t understand why you feel my comments here are attacking them. i am defending Hubpages, period. Leon obviously doesn’t object to opposing viewpoints if he is allowing them, right?
First off I do not care if anyone likes what I have to write or not, I write for myself. I think some of these comments are pack mentality, and focusing on two people that said something you do not like is a bit over the top. I happen to enjoy the topics Pam and Lita write about, and they are entitled to their opinions.
It is a known fact that social solidarity and a pack mentality occurs when one person gets upset about something, and everyone jumps on the bandwagon. That is exactly what everyone here is exploiting by declaring Pam failed, and she is not doing it the right way. No, she just decided to move on, and I suggest we all do the same. She did actually make money with Hubpages, and she simply decided she could make better money by writing in a more positive environment for her. Anyway, at the end of the day it does not really matter what anyone thinks about anyone else, and we each have to do what is right for us.
Another thing I forgot to add was my comments are to all those who have made critical comments about Lita and Pam, and are not directed towards anyone in particular.
hmm. well perhaps i should have prefaced my comments here with an “I speak solely for myself” disclaimer. you have seen me around Hubpages and know that i am not part of any “pack”. haha that’s cute
i also never said Pam was a failure. i didn’t read her so how would i know?
well, ok, i can see where this is going. you’re emotional ’cause they are your friends, and i can understand that. i defended Hubpages so i said all i had to say on this topic. i certainly haven’t any interest in dragging this discussion out or in giving Leon here more traffic.
cheers.
Actually for the first time in an online discussion I see myself as one of the rational and non-emotional ones, even though I am a sensitive type. I am seeing the bigger picture, and trying to help others see this too. Besides, and most of the hubbers expressed they think this blog is negative anyway, and how is commenting on it going to really change a thing. The writer and those who do not like Hubpages are not going to suddenly change their minds. I can absolutely guarantee that people would never want to come back to a website if people told them that they failed according to some standard. That is not at all welcoming really.
@Cosette Yeh, this traffic and debate is great. Thanks for writing my blog for me guys! Don’t know where it all came from all of a sudden though, my post is 16 months old now!!?
Apparently some hubbers are mad that certain people no longer want to write on the site and commented on your blog. Not sure why they decided there is not something called freedom of expression in cyberspace.
Leon, I had your problem at HubPages at first, also. I discovered that the problem was with the builder, not with the admin of HubPages. The builder will count the number of your links to the same url. If there are more than 2, it will tell you your hub is “over-promotional”. There have been other occasions where the builder caught something it was programmed to “catch”. One time it told me my hub was “duplicate content” even though I had written every single word myself, except for one short one-sentence phrase as a quote. Another time I got a hub flagged because I wrote a hub article about Traffic Sites. (forbidden for Google AdSense,uh-oh, my bad…)
Just things you get used to, and learn to work around.
Hubpages will give you back exactly what you put into it. If you are willing to do your keyword research, and your seo optimization, and churn out high-traffic longtail keyword articles, you will do very well there.
If you are just writing for the pleasure of writing, it’s nice getting a few bucks for doing it. Like anything else, the benefit you receive is directly related to the effort expended.
I like it because it gives me a platform for all my other blogs and web sites and the articles are quickly and highly rated on Google. If your visitors do not click on your Google ads or buy Amazon products, you can hardly blame the admin of HubPages.
I have generally found HubPages to be a very upbeat and positive experience, and I am making a few bucks, more than I have made anywhere else. (I stay out of the forums.)
I have been on hubpages for 3 months now, and I was shocked to find out that so many people that have helped me get started are leaving. There are always going to be bad people wherever you go, especially where everyone has a right to their own opinions.
Pam, I don’t know the whole story, nor do I care to know it. But I will say for every person that has done you wrong, there is no comparison to the # of people that you have helped. We love your writings and we love you. That’s why we followed you and became fans.
I know it hasn’t been long, but you are already missed on HP.
What up dog? Why you be hatin on me and deleting my message and ****? I heard somebody say how Hubpages censors people – well guess what dog, ya just censored me! That’s bold, man!
I didnt lay down no cuss words and I didn’t attack no one so I should have been able to say what I want. But no, you censored me. And how I know that? I checked my email and it say there are new messages here. It told me this cause I posted here and now you guys went and censored me, all cause I said it like it was … tellin people how Hubpages is jackass stupid for keepin people from losing their adsense and saying they should just let them post what they want and get *****slapped by Google.
Ya want to know what I think? I think you guys is really all hubbers playing a ******* joke on those lookin to bag on the site.
Darren you probably the site owner and stuff findin out who be baggin yo site. Cant touch me man. I got my own pad.
I aint got no hits yet but ill be big in three months – you see!
I think the nav bar at the top of this page is perfectly awesome. Forgot to mention that.
Gonna have to figure out how you did that!
SweetiePie, you seem to be continually defending pam and lita even when they are not actually being attacked, and you say we have a pack mentality?
My beef with Pam is solely,
“If you want to write to make money, steer clear of HP and revenue sharing sites in general and face the fact that writing for money is very hard to do and few people succeed. If you want to write because you love to write, write for print media or start your own web community or blog of like minded others.”
I make plenty of money on Hubpages, and many others do too. I don’t think it is right for a self confessed non commercial writer to make a claim such as this. In my opinion making money in print media is just as hard, and often means you get kess time writting and more time looking for buyers.
If she wanted to move elsewhere then that is up to her, but there is no reason to badmouth hubpages, and by proxy those that use it.
There must be a reason Lita was banned and not the troll. Every one of her posts has seemed to be a construction of self rightiousness.
I am not entirely sure how you still fail to see exactly what the issues are from different writers here, no one is mad because they left/were banned, its about what they said afterwards.
hey Leon, you don’t mind if I put a teensy referral link in my “website” URL, do you?
(jk)
anyway, SweetiePie, I just have to wonder why Lita and Pam are letting you do all the talking. of course they are reading this.
yeah Oli, right on about the “non-commercial writer” part. you and other skilled hubbers who know the ins and outs and do all that virtual legwork to make big bucks on HubPages know whereof you speak. I have to say I am earning money, although not enough to pay bills but that is why I look to other sources of income as a professional writer. my point is, imagine how well I would be doing if I were doing half of what you and other high-earning hubbers are doing. it IS possible, no doubt.
anyway SweetiePie, I don’t see any emoting on this side of the equation. no one is trash-talking Pam or Lita. respondents are just saying ‘of course you can make money at HubPages and of course there are talented writers there and real writers too and it is NOT a scam.
thank you.
Wow cosette, I stopped posting on this blog on Feb 15th, and you and Oli just had to come back to stoke the fire LOL. You know what, carry on if you wish, but I do not care anymore. I make money with Hubpages to, and if you noticed I am not complaining about the website. I just do not care if some other people have complained about it, my entire point. I really could care less about any of this at this point, so have a great day. Now you and Oli are sort of doing the pack thing with me, but that is fine. Have fun.
I’m sure Leon is happy for the traffic to his blog, and as far as I’m concerned, the more power to anyone who has the guts and determination to start his own business above and beyond what is offered out there (and what they assume you should ‘take’) on these investment capital funded revenue sharing sites–and from which they reap the far larger profit overall under their ‘rules.’ One point.
Point number two: I think none here are aware of the actual issues surrounding the criticism (completely within our rights)that both Pam and I offered of HP. Criticism I should point out, that is entirely based on our personal experiences with the site and that is, in part, unknown to you. To the extent that this has been taken to a personal level, that names of private citizens, using their actual names and not ‘handles’ on a website are pinpointed–those private citizens who do work professionally as writers–and where derogatory intimations that may be proven untrue and damaging to these individuals reputations are ‘guessed’ at, is the extent to which these words are indeed ‘self righteous.’
Reviewing definitions of libel and defamation may be of help, for those both posting here and on the HP thread which attacked Pam Grundy.
It may also be a surprise for some to know that I’m glad that many are happy with HP. May you stay so. However, the website is obviously not for everyone for many different reasons, and as it grows larger, this criticism becomes more valid, in my opinion. Some very good questions have been drawn here by many concerning the problems of this business model–whether an observer chooses to further research them or not is entirely up to them. Taking this to a personal level clearly spells out in spades the issues that a few have experienced with HP and does nothing to enhance the reputation of the site.
Hubpages sux but Lita swallows!
That is just gross. Thanks for letting cyberspace know you cannot find a girlfriend.
About Hubpages revenue split 60/40. I made an experiment which really puzzled me: I published a few articles on hubpages. In 3 months I had one click on Google adsense ad which showed my earnings at $0.12 for this click. I was surprised that it was so low… My friend suggested another website (cannot tell you the name of this site just yet) which also has adsense ad share option. I posted a few articles on this site and soon got an adsense ad click. I checked how much this click earned me – and it was $1.16. More than a dollar difference between Hubpages and this site I used for the same type of ad clicked! This made me wondering why the same type of ad on Hubpages paid so much lower. How do they manage to do it? Any suggestions? Anyone had similar comparative experience?
@ Noel: Dear doltish being, not all clicks are created equal. Due to the competition within the adverts, some “AdWords” pay better than others. Get a life…
@ HubPages: Your forums is what sucks! They often ban the individuals who show relentless intellect and they seem to detest the ones who despise the sensitive, fluffy pansies & delicate tulips, that is, the ones who do not bring the toilet paper to the scene of forum asininity! How dare me, to hurt your fucking feelings! Ha-ha! HubPages, outside of its great money-making opportunities (…depending upon your strategy), is a low-grade “feel good” site full of lies to boast the ego of poor, incompetent writers that totally suck ass albeit they constantly pump hogwash into the search engines at a common rate that only an active cesspool can keep up with shit!
Most of the actual non-promotional, talented “writers,” will not find satisfaction from this amateur-based site that promotes earning cash from nonsense, empty enunciations, premium poppycock, vague verbiage, and so on. Overall, HupPages sucks about as much ass as the Judicial Branch of BS!
Now, if you’re new to the cyber-world, join on in! Take it from me, I made the mistake of thinking it was a professional site… Wrong! LOL!
I am Mandy’s cousin, initially she told me about Hubpages, at the time, she was happy with the Set-up.
She was banned, and felt that this was unfair, hence the setting up of around 20 accounts. She is still on Hubpages, as many persona’s.
What I would like to know, is how can they state exactly what their Membership is, when people are doing this type of thing!
Mandy’s behaviour, has certainly helped her online identity enormously. The bannings are childish.
20 accounts? thats mental that is!
Perpendicularity hit on the real problem with hubpages, the forums! Most of the left wing nuts are hubpages staff posing as hub members attacking whomever they please without fear of being banned. When you start to refute the ridiculousness of their positions they ban you. One of my many monikers (circumventing the ban) was banned for telling Doug Hughes he was boring, really, for that. Its pretty obvious the forums are a place to have exercise speech LOL!
Yeah, hubpages forums suck, no doubt!
Lita Sorensen was banned from HubPages because SHE was the ACTUAL troll.
She was very lonely and harassing men constantly. She is on psychiatric medication for her mental illness.
This is why the staff at hubpages banned her PERMANENTLY!!
HP is very generous, they only ban people for a few days as a form of punishment. But they made an exception in Lita Sorensen’s case because of her extremely offensive behavior.
It is best to IGNORE trolls like Lita Sorensen!
I have a rhetorical question to everybody: If you do not like something, why don’t you just leave quietly and close the door behind you? Why do you have to come back and play piggy splashing mud at everybody and everything?
Homegirl, because we can. Its called freedom of Speech, it is the Cornerstone of existence. It is the pivot, which allows us to have whatever religion we want, be as bent or straight as we want. Allows us to work in whatever Profession, we wish, or be a wasteful drop-kick, allows people to set us Sites like this (Totally professional) Site.
It is,in fact the Cornerstone of Modern Civilisation.
It is the reason Lta I and others were banned, because Hubpages were given the right to kerb “our” freedom of speech.
I have very little respect for Hubpages Management, as it seems that their version of freedom of Speech, is based solely on what agrees with them.
So to all the Hubpages People, and to all their lackies, drones and yesmen/woman, I ould like to say thanks for all your pro comments on this Site. I know that you are all fairly free to do so as most of you Don’t seriously have lives.
In much the same way as Hitler pushed his ideals Hubpages pushes its own Agenda.
They seriously couldn’t give a “Rats” about making money, for you, Wake up and smell the roses, it is about them.
Hubpages sucks in its own way. But the people don’t.
I remember Lita, Badco Goldentoad AE mistyhorizon Sweetiepie, and of course the naughty Tkensei.(I had no idea TK hat you were a Troll! tho) Of course all the others as well, you Guys rock, I joined Hubpages initially as Maddie Rudds fan. I just think she is young and possibly too niave to control some of the more adult activities, particularly in the Forums.
I still use Hubpages, because firstly I am a hypocrite and secondly because the traffic is good.
I add
I forgot to say I liken Maddie running Hubpages to a Nun, running a Whorehouse.
who’s right is freedom of speach? it might be americas but unless its written into your own countries constitution it aint no right. hupbages is a business and if peeps are misbehavin then they have a right to keep them in order.
I am not American. Freedom of Speech is a Right, you do not need a Constitution. Wars have been fought to give this right.
Hubpages can kick peeps off, however just gives them bad press, n one gives a rats arse really anyway.
whitch wars have been fought for the freedom of speech? and please dont say all of them. which war exactly won that right to freedom of speech for all humanity. and the webs is like a business. a person can protest all they want in the real world but what happens if they do it on private property?? they can be excorted from the premises. the same with a website forum. they have rules and if you break them they can make you leave and try and stop you from contining the behavior that got the person banned in the first place. try demostrating your freedom of speech loudly in the middle of a supermarket….. store security will own you.
Well firstly, this Country where I live is part of the British Commonwealth, in its creed it lists amongst, many things that Feedom of Speech, Freedom of Press etc, are the Rights of an Individual. Test, it in Court. Many Precidents have been set. Defamation and Libel Actions are different issues, both addressing formerly, any remark about an individual that is proven to be untrue, the latter, is written untruth, which again must be provable in a Court of Law.In this Country, defamation and Libel, Cases rarely come to Court, most are abandoned, many are settled, simply to make the thing go away.
So if you were to basically slag someone of in your own Country, (Suing Internationally, is impossible) and they could prove that what you said was fictitious, then yes, you may win either a Libel or Defamation Case. Still highly unlikely, the Filing fees alone Cost a fortune. Non pragmatic to even go there.
Therefore, you have freedom of Speech to say anything that is truthful, and yes all Wars have played a part in the evolution of “Freedom of Speech”, so your remark please don’t say “All Wars”, is a little lame. If I weanted to perform in a Supermarket, those that know me would also know that Store Security, would be the least of my probs. I studied Martial Arts for over 15 years.
Shannandoah, I cant be bothered commenting on your reply so I know you will be reading this.
I don’t have 20 personas, that was a Joke, I did try to get around the mandybeau thing with afew digitas after mandybeau, then someone suggested, I call myself bandymeau, so I did that for a laugh, that was on the Forums, so Cuz, if you want to get stuck into me on here feel free, but get your facts straight, also I believe you have a sockpuppet yourself.
ohh look at that, mandybeau argueing with her imaginary cousin. how cute !
im with you several devils. people cant just run rampant on a site ,and that goes for everyone. i myself have been, shall we say, tempered a few times but it was warranted, even though i decided not to edit myself and republish. i just didnt have the interest. i have to wonder why people say they hate a site so much and yet they create tons of fake accounts and then laugh with glee about it. i mean if you hate it so much walk the bleep away.
strange, very strange. and hypocritical. i always say if people want to say and do whatever they want, get their own bleeping site. it’s not rocket science.
Hmmm, are we spoiled adolescents who can’t obey rules? Or adults?
The only downside to hubpages is that they don’t police their site enough. sickos with multiple accounts, as admitted to by Mandyboo run amok on that site, causing all kinds of trouble. I think they should be banned for life BY THEIR IP ADDRESS. I read what Mandy wrote about Univited Writer (called her a cow), and insulting Darkside and others. she deleted it though, big wuss.
Another downside is that it’s free so anyone can hub and monster troll as they wish until the hub police corrects their behavior. Obviously, if there are people going around calling people names, since there are no resident psychologists available to deal with their insecurities, the only answer is to ban. I fully support it.
Don’t I know the truth? Maybe I should start correcting the false rumors spread on here…
First of all I would like to say, though I really don’t know you all that well, Sweetiepie, of course Lita Sorenson insulted people’s work. She just can’t take being insulted in return. You should know better than to lie, that’s plain slander. Is that what you are as a person?
Second of all, it seems that Lita Sorenson is the same person on another site who kept insulting me (I could be wrong but it seems like the same person) in every single thread where I posted something. When I suggested that she was verbally harassing me (if that was her), she tried to make it appear as if I was suggesting that she was physically harassing me by following me around. While that is true, it was her “verbal harassing” that I was addressing.
I keep watching this, as I am notified each time a new comment arrives. It has been almost a year now and keeps getting more ridiculous. Some denizens, I repeat, of Hubpages really need to understand the definition of slander and defamation.
I am a writer with three books to my credit and a professional staff writing job. I came to Hubpages under the impression that it was a professional writing site, due to an association with Pam Grundy, an excellent writer. While there, I discovered the forums and in the early months there, some excellent debaters and interesting people. End story. The site continues to get more ‘popular,’ and with that, came the influx of what I would deem undesirables who would under any definition of the term, harass others. Obviously, they are still following on the internet, even after a year, which I find quite unbelievable. And yes, I think sites like HP will be held accountable for the sorts of abusive atmospheres they create due to their interest in $ in the future, looking at the precedence of law now being set and the angst towards preserving privacy issues on the net displayed recently.
I am on no other of these sites; I use no other name on any of these sites. None of the individuals who have slandered me here know anything about my personal life. Joining Hubpages was a large mistake I regret sincerely and I want absolutely no association.
I could careless less about you. However, when my reputation is being ruined by someone who insists on spoiling my reputation because I didn’t not bow down to her or appreciate her writing, whether mentioned by name or not but simply being alluded to and then harassed by other members as a result, I have no other alternative then to set the story straight. I accidently found this site, and really, do you guys really think you can say what you do without being caught. This is the world wide web after all.
Excellent debaters who like being called a slew of offensive names? That’s not debate, that’s verbal harassment by a monster troll.
I came to the site under the impression that I would simply write hubs and not be harassed by some pretty famous trolls. It seems the more you harass, the more you gain popularity (become famous) with some of the hubbers. That makes writing at hubpages a bummer. Anyway, I have my own writings to attend to. However, hubpages is great with the exception of some resident trolls. No they’re not hubpage staff so they shouldn’t be blamed for the behavior of those who act with little class.
And speaking as a professional, I’m a former journalist (from a real newspaper), turned novelist.
You know what I have a problem with, at HubPages and outside of HubPages? Snobs. And there seems to be a few of them at HuPages. I am not talking about Darkside here, or Sunforged or Marisa. They are all super people and amazing hubbers. But there are one of two so-called heavyweights who really rub me the wrong way. Plus they say a lot of mean things to other people and HubPages looks the other way, which is not right. And Lita, you’re a decent shot, but you do a lot of the same “I’m a real writer so I’m better than you”. There are a lot of “real writers” at HubPages but they don’t go around telling people “I’m a real writer”. But I am getting weary of HubPages because they DO look the other way way too often in their forums, especially with one of their “power” hubbers and two known trolls with many, many multiple accounts. The power hubber hurts a lot of people’s feelings and the two trolls spoil all the fun at that site and are counterproductive, and troublemakers besides. If HubPages really cares about quality content, they have to realize that part of that includes the people they allow on their site.
I not a doormat- be careful where you tread.
That’s a message to the trolls at hubpages. And people should wonder, why would anyone go out of their way to insult someone. Why go out of their way? Jealousy? A true snob wouldn’t even bother.
Oops, I meant to say “I’m” not a door mat.
Or maybe it’s the webmaster changing my posts?
Weep, wail, and moan! Everyone seems so intent on trashing HubPages here-what a pitiful schoolyard bitch session this is. By God, people, don’t you comprehend that while complaining endlessly about the site, you give it press?
I also have a negative experience with Hubpages.
Rather than just throwing around insults (which I don’t think gets us anywhere), I have collected my thoughts into an article. People posting on this discussion might be interested in it:
Hubpages is a Scam – Yes, a bold title I know, so I guess you know how I feel about the site. But I do think I’ve backed my argument up pretty thoroughly.
There are some pretty major objections I have to how the site is run. Most of them center around the business model and the way the company is not at all up front about the policies on the site.
I’d be grateful if you all would check out that page and let me know what you think.